The Old Man Band (Players Over 30)

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  • Kev2380Kev2380 Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    I'll probably be on too, before the football games start. I changed my profile so now it shows as Kev2380. My band name is Ocotillo.
  • MisguidedGirlMisguidedGirl Unsigned
    edited January 2009
    I might be on today until 3:45 (central time).
  • PubknightPubknight Road Warrior
    edited January 2009
    Any of you folks going to be on this evening (Jan 13th)?
    I'll likely be on from around 6pm - 10pm Eastern time. I'll have the drums out since wifey is out with work folks tonight.

    If anyones around, interested in helping me blow through some challenges?
  • CherkovCherkov Unsigned
    edited January 2009
    Pubknight;1800275 said:
    Any of you folks going to be on this evening (Jan 13th)?
    I'll likely be on from around 6pm - 10pm Eastern time. I'll have the drums out since wifey is out with work folks tonight.

    If anyones around, interested in helping me blow through some challenges?
    I'll be on after 8pm est. I can handle guitar or bass.
  • zarlorzarlor Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    Count me in. I should be on after 6pm CST until whenever (although I usually hit the sack around 10pm CST.) My preference is for vocals, but I'll do whatever you need. Just send me an invite if you see me on!
  • zarlorzarlor Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    Good playing with you tnoight, PubKnight. I know we completely missed each other on Overdrive on "Living on a Prayer" but the optimal Overdrive path on that one is a bit odd and it's a bit tight on the vocals side for when you can do it. Sorry if that seemed a little frustrating when I hit OD just as soon as I got it the first few times and then held onto it later. Some songs just work that way. ;)

    I still need to get better on "Alive" by Pearl Jam. That sucker has quite a few little improvisations on the vocal line that I still need to get down. Great work on the drums, man! If you need me for challenges or tours or whatever and you see me on, just send that invite (hopefully I'll see it a little sooner next time. ;))
  • PubknightPubknight Road Warrior
    edited January 2009
    zarlor;1803720 said:
    Good playing with you tnoight, PubKnight. I know we completely missed each other on Overdrive on "Living on a Prayer" but the optimal Overdrive path on that one is a bit odd and it's a bit tight on the vocals side for when you can do it. Sorry if that seemed a little frustrating when I hit OD just as soon as I got it the first few times and then held onto it later. Some songs just work that way. ;)

    I still need to get better on "Alive" by Pearl Jam. That sucker has quite a few little improvisations on the vocal line that I still need to get down. Great work on the drums, man! If you need me for challenges or tours or whatever and you see me on, just send that invite (hopefully I'll see it a little sooner next time. ;))
    That was great, thanks so much for knocking those out with me.
    I have a tendency after a challenge or a tour venue to go back to the Practice Space, so if a person wants to go, they can go guilt-free.
    I'm glad you stuck around though... unbelievable job on vocals.

    On the overdrive thing, no worries... that was my first time playing with just a vocalist, and I have NO idea on vocals... so I don't know where your overdrive paths are, when you can trigger them, etc.
    Plus, if I look up at your bar, I'll for sure lose my place.
    So I was basically going with: if you trigger, I'll trigger as soon as I can. Unless I am full, then I'll trigger to avoid wasting any.

    I thought we did ok though.
    I only recently graduated to hard drums, so a couple of those were sight reads for hard for me, like Pinball Wizard... I'm sure you could tell.

    For everyone in the thread, what is your folks take on the DLC, are you planning on gettting any/some/most?

    I picked up the 20 free songs, and I believe 18/30 paid songs.
    I'm probably going to get a bit more selective as the back catalogue is released... but it will depend on what's there.
  • zarlorzarlor Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    I expect to pick up the freebies, then probably just songs I like from then on. I didn't even check today to see that there we had DLC now! Sweet!

    Vocals is a bit of a toughie on the overdrive front. You're more limited than any other instrument on when you can hit it, but at the same time you probably have a little extra freedom to let your eyes wander to all the other parts and see if anyone is getting full and such. So in some ways either the vocalist or the drummer has to be the one to cue everyone else to kick off OD, it seems to me. I try to watch drummers when they go into the freeform section to see if they are hitting anything there (so if you play around without intending to go into OD you might fool me into going into OD anyway). Sometimes the only opportunity to OD on vocals will be in concert with when the drums are in freeform, but it will be too late once the drummer actually hits that green pad to do it. So if I see drumming happening in the freeform I take that as a cue from the drummer that they are going to hit it. Although at least drummers do have a moment to see what others are doing during those freeform sections if they aren't going to hit OD (or want to check around before doing so) so there is a little freedom on that side, I suppose.

    I also think that OD for the vocals is not very noticeable at all. It just kind of flashes a bit on the outer lines, not like the other parts where you get that golden section on your highway that really stand out to everyone. Golden sections for vocalists means that is when you can hit your overdrive, not that you are in it. So I normally try to cue off of other folks for when to go. Some songs, though, you're just stuck. That Red Hot Chili Peppers one, for example, has only 2 spots you can really hit OD and that's it. So not much room to join up with the rest of the band on that one, unless they know where the vocalist is going to hit it.

    Not that any of that REALLY matters, as long as it's fun!

    Oh as for going to the practice space, that's not a bad idea. I actually thought you were going back there to see if anyone else was on to send them an invite. It's otherwise hard to tell that other folks might be on. (I didn't even see your first invite while I was trying to improve my scores on some of the band challenges until I took a break to check.)
  • Kev2380Kev2380 Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    I think something might be wrong with my friends list, I looked for you guys online last night but didn't see you on. I think something is screwed with my band info in general. I had unlocked everything, and I wanted to change my main name from Hoodlum to Kev2380, so you'd know who I was. I totally screwed myself. I unlinked after deleting the band data, now I can't link up to the server anymore. I don't know if that's effecting my friends list too, have you guys seen me online?
  • CherkovCherkov Unsigned
    edited January 2009
    @Kev2380: You are still on my friend list as Hoodlum. I could try deleting you then putting your friend code in again to see what happens. What do you think?

    As far as the DLC goes, I was pleasantly surprised to see it come online last night. I just ordered a Kingston 2 gig SD card from Newegg for $4.50 with free shipping. Probably should have got more than one, but we'll see how much can be loaded on this one first. Right now, I don't have the cash to be buying a ton of new songs, so I'll stick with the freebies for now and pick and choose favorites as I go.
  • PubknightPubknight Road Warrior
    edited January 2009
    Kev2380;1805277 said:
    I think something might be wrong with my friends list, I looked for you guys online last night but didn't see you on. I think something is screwed with my band info in general. I had unlocked everything, and I wanted to change my main name from Hoodlum to Kev2380, so you'd know who I was. I totally screwed myself. I unlinked after deleting the band data, now I can't link up to the server anymore. I don't know if that's effecting my friends list too, have you guys seen me online?
    You are still in my list as Hoodlum as well.
    And I haven't seen you online at all.
    I was on from about 7:30 - 10pm est last night, and checked a couple of times.
  • Kev2380Kev2380 Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    Cherkov;1805717 said:
    @Kev2380: You are still on my friend list as Hoodlum. I could try deleting you then putting your friend code in again to see what happens. What do you think?

    As far as the DLC goes, I was pleasantly surprised to see it come online last night. I just ordered a Kingston 2 gig SD card from Newegg for $4.50 with free shipping. Probably should have got more than one, but we'll see how much can be loaded on this one first. Right now, I don't have the cash to be buying a ton of new songs, so I'll stick with the freebies for now and pick and choose favorites as I go.
    Yeah try deleting me from you friends list then adding me again. I deleted the hoodlum info off my Wii. So far on the new stuff, I've downloaded most of the free songs and bought Snow and Call Me.
  • zarlorzarlor Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    I didn't see you on last night, either. I've removed you as a friend, then added the FC back in. So now my pending list shows "Lockheed" "DM" and... "Hoodlum"... hmmm... well you can try to add mine back in on your list and see if it comes through at least. Or maybe you'll need to change it back. Or maybe you'll just need to get Harmonix Tech Support involved and see if they can help out on the best way to fix it up.

    As for DLC, I just got a bunch of them, I'm almost embarrased to say. (I mean 2 bucks for songs I probably already paid for several times in the past and that I can't put on my MP3 player.) But, at any rate, I've probably got plenty of extra song to play around with if other folks have the same ones. Chances are pretty good, though. I still can't believe I just spent over $30 just for those... ;)
  • PubknightPubknight Road Warrior
    edited January 2009
    Oh, I should mention here, if any of you folks see me online Saturday night... don't invite me... for your own good.

    We're having a poker night here with some other couples we hang out with, and they will be bringing their kids over.
    The kids will likely be playing on the Wii, and will likely be playing Rock Band.
    They are great kids... just not very talented plastic musicians =)
  • Kev2380Kev2380 Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    When I changed my data, my friend code changed as well.
    FC-1103-1301-1383
  • zarlorzarlor Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    Looks like that worked with the new FC. So hopefully I'll be on tomorrow night some and probably Sunday so if you want to knowck out some challenges, or tours or one of those Battle of the Bands, just send me an invite and I'll be happy to hook up and go!
  • PubknightPubknight Road Warrior
    edited January 2009
    Kev2380;1812277 said:
    When I changed my data, my friend code changed as well.
    FC-1103-1301-1383
    I'll delete the old one and re-add you tonight.
  • zarlorzarlor Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    Hey, PubKnight, not sure if this is useful to you, but I did run across these:

    http://rockband.yajags.com/drumstats/ for drum paths and
    http://rockband.yajags.com/pathstats/ for band paths, but that last is a bit hard to decipher for me, anyway.
  • PubknightPubknight Road Warrior
    edited January 2009
    Thanks, I've seen the drumstats one before... I'm not quite 100% with my understanding of it though.
    And yeah, that band path thing... so very very far over my head.
  • Kev2380Kev2380 Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    It was fun playing with you guys, pubknight did you leave on purpose? Or did you get too much lag and got disconnected. Zarlor, I don't how you can play those songs on expert. Good Job! I couldn't play long, my wife is having contractions while I was playing. We're waiting for them to get close enough so we can go to the hospital.
  • zarlorzarlor Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    Sorry on that last set, Kev. That was getting a bit frustrating for me trying to figure out when I shoudl OD. I think I need to really just try to generaly follow the vocalist OD paths, because all to often if I miss them I might get trapped with spots where I can't go. Plus on a few songs I started doing that and just missed a couple of crucial spots (I missed on the the OD phrases I needed to hit in Alive and on Down With the Sickness, love that song, I tried to squeeze kicking in that lost OD too much and I missed getting it off. Grrr.... For those who don't know what squeeze means, on the vocal line it's when you have that golden OD section and you try to wait until the very last second to activate it to get the most time you can out of it. At any rate, there were just a ton of songs I was getting 99% on because of just barely missing 1 phrase in the song. I hate when that happens and it probably just makes me keep missing 100% on other songs I know through sheer frustration. ;) Ah well. Good jam anyway!

    No problem for the play length. Babies take priority! Here's wishing you a healthy delivery!
  • zarlorzarlor Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    BTW, one request. When you guys do something like select a song or make a setlist, would you do me a favor if I'm in the band and wait a sec for the song you're picking to play a few bars first? I don't always remember songs by their names and that gives me a sec to refamiliarize myself with which song it is and to look at my cheat sheet for optimal OD paths.

    Also on things that are multiple song list (other than the Mystery Set Lists, obviously) if you could hit that 2 button for me so I can grab a glimpse of what songs we will be doing that would be helpful to. Same if you pick a Band Challenge (anyone up for doing the Storyteller's Challenge if we can get at least a 3-person band on?) At any rate, that would be a big help for me and also lets me know if maybe I should just pick hard for songs I don't know or barely know (if they have the difficulty levels listed that can help to, since I can usually get away with staying on Expert even if I don't know the song if it's under a 2 dot difficulty.)
  • PubknightPubknight Road Warrior
    edited January 2009
    Hey guys.
    No, I didn't realize that it was me that disconnected.
    I had the message that the leader had left... though I guess it gives you that message regardless who drops.
    And then I guess we just couldn't hook back up again.
    Would like to give it another shot sometime for sure... though I'm probably not going to be back on until mid-to-late in the week.
  • Kev2380Kev2380 Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    zarlor;1826103 said:
    BTW, one request. When you guys do something like select a song or make a setlist, would you do me a favor if I'm in the band and wait a sec for the song you're picking to play a few bars first? I don't always remember songs by their names and that gives me a sec to refamiliarize myself with which song it is and to look at my cheat sheet for optimal OD paths.

    Also on things that are multiple song list (other than the Mystery Set Lists, obviously) if you could hit that 2 button for me so I can grab a glimpse of what songs we will be doing that would be helpful to. Same if you pick a Band Challenge (anyone up for doing the Storyteller's Challenge if we can get at least a 3-person band on?) At any rate, that would be a big help for me and also lets me know if maybe I should just pick hard for songs I don't know or barely know (if they have the difficulty levels listed that can help to, since I can usually get away with staying on Expert even if I don't know the song if it's under a 2 dot difficulty.)

    Don't sweat the OD stuff. I would like for us to do it at the same time but I don't really care about score or what not. I just like playing. What I try to do is get my bar about 75% of the way then on the last notes that give you that last %25 I activate OD. Usually that lasts all the way until the next OD notes and I can extend it a little.

    I'll give you a chance to listen to the bars next time. It was fun jamming with you. Next time we'll have to get pub involved. The thing that really sucks about RB2 is if someone gets disconnected do we all stop and try to pick them back up? We don't know why the disconnected, or what happened and you lose fans when you end a gig, not a big deal but that can add up if you keep dropping out. I have had a few people get disconnected like what happened to you PUB, I've only been able to play with 3 other online people one time. Maybe my internet connection is not strong enough to handle that many people. We'll have to test it again.

    Do you guys have AOL IM? Or another messenging program, we could meet up on that first and decide who's going to host a game and what we'd like to play. I know that seems a little more complicated but it could add some communication.

    My baby was born last night, so I'm not sure how much I'll be playing, she'll probably sleep a lot and I'm taking this week off, so I should be on at random times. If I am I probably won't play long, probably a hour here or there. Holler at me, if there is a set time you guys wanna play.
  • zarlorzarlor Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    Congrats!

    The scores aren't that big of a deal, but can be fun to try and kock up points on anyway. But esp[ecially without a full band it makes no real difference. Solo or 4-person is the only place you'll really notice scores like on the Leaderboards. (I've actually got a few in the Top 20s, I think I even have a couple of #1 spots, on solo vocals. I'm sure that will go away quickly enough, though.)

    I don't really use any IM clients. I do like to use Team Talk 3, though. It's free for the server side as well as the client and I've used it with friends for MMORPGs before. I could set that up if folks wanted to try it out. Just send me a PM or email me at zarlor at acm dot org if anyone wants to try that and I can give you connection details. Or we could use the main server in Denmark, but it is oversees so sometimes there is a bit more lag that way. I can at aleast set up seperate speakers and a mic for that, though, so unlike having to switch my projector between PC and Wii I can just stay on the Wii and still communicate that way.

    As for set times, that's a bit harder. Thursdays are bad for me (choir practice) and Fridays are a bit iffy, as are some times on Saturdays. Most of the rest of the week I usually fit some gaming in, though. For me it will usually be after 4pm and before 10pm Central time. Sundays I'm usually pretty open for anytime.
  • PubknightPubknight Road Warrior
    edited January 2009
    Congrats Kev!

    Set times are tough for me too.
    Drums are my main thing, so I am limited a bit by the spouse.
    If she's around, I'm usually stuck with something like bass... I suck at it (medium), but I'm happy just to play along.
    Other than that it's a couple hours here and there.
    Probably the best thing is just to look for each other when we're around.

    On the dropping thing, it just seems to happen.
    I've had sessions where I've gone hours with no drops, and others where someone drops, but as you said Kev, the main problem is knowing where the problem was. I keep tweaking my wireless router as well, hoping things get better.

    We could always bounce around trying different hosts to see what is generally the most reliable.

    the other thing I will do, if we are all trying to play together, is if say I get disconnected, I'll fire off an invite letting you know I'm still around.
    Then I can just wait for a return invite.
    I will never ever leave mid set or mid song... so if that has happened, it means a disconnect.
    The problem I think we were having Sunday is I would jump into another game, then your invite would come, and when I got out of the other game your invite had expired.
    In future if we are playing and say I drop out, I'll give it like 20 mins or so (figuring you're in a set) before I jump into anything else. (or I'll kill time with the beat trainer or something I can get out of quickly)

    IM wise, I haven't got many options... my computer is on a different floor from the Wii so I have to kind of wing it.
  • Kev2380Kev2380 Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    Pub, great idea!!!!!

    Let's plan on that, if we're playing a set and one of us gets disconnected, wait for an invite. The people who are still playing will end the set or song then return to the matchmaking area to send out the invite. That should resolve the issue. I tried to do that the other night but I think I was patient enough.

    I waited maybe like 4minutes before starting the tour again. I like your idea, Zarlor are you ok with this?
  • suebee3340suebee3340 Unsigned
    edited January 2009
    Hey if you guys don't mind adding another older person??? My FC is in my signature. KEV2380 posted on another board that y'all are older...I'm almost 44 - there I've said it. Now everyone can see I'm not 21.....but, I act it....I have no kids because I am one :-) Oh well...I really like RB2 online. So addictive... Like to know I'm not just playing against a computer.
  • Kev2380Kev2380 Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    No problem suebee, I'lll be happy to add you.
  • zarlorzarlor Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    I'll add you too when I get on later.

    On communications, actually that was what I was trying to do when I quit out of the band right after PubKnight was disco'ed. I figured either you could send him and invite to come back in, or maybe he wanted to send an invite so we could work on options in his band (nicely named as "Free Beer Tomorrow", btw.) I'm just as happy to join rather than run folks in my band so it's no biggie for me.

    Some things that can also work are if you have two guitarits at the selection screen if someone has been doing guitar or bass for a while and would like to change around, just flick between the two choices to let the other person know you might like to change out if they are willing. Also, I'd say that some screens we should accept that occasionally someone will hold the others up on but that if they do so it's fine because it just means they needed a quick break (grab drink, hit the bathroom, deal with the crying baby) but if it's expected to be an extended break, then dropping out may be the better option and just doing the invite thing when you're done to get back into the band.

    I'd aslo say that it's not a bad idea to send multiple invites just because sometimes, expecially in the middle of a set, it's easy to miss. Oh, and obviously that means the band leader will have to occasionally drop back to the invite screen to check if there are new invites (or even if someone else just happened to log into the game and we hadn't noticed them yet.)

    Also another option if you'd prefer to let someone else drive and you sent an invite, just drop the band after the other person joins. Whoever that was can then send the invite in return. (That's what Ill probably do most of the time, especially since I've advanced my band, Electro Hogs, to the point where I think it may be on the Hard only parts.) Or if you want to drive but get an invite, then join, drop and then send your own invite.
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