"What If?" Game

a21schizoidmana21schizoidman Prog-nosticator
edited March 2009 in History of Rock
This is the "What If? Game!

We always ask the questions: "What if- he/she didn't die? they didn't break up? he/she did/didn't go solo? they didn't make it big? that member didn't leave the band?" well, here is the game where we figure out what we think would have happened!!!

Here's how it works, one person will answer the above persons question and then post their own question.

Example:
"Poster 1: What would have happened if Yoko Ono never met John Lennon?"
"Poster 2: The Beatles wouldn't have broken up, creating more albums, but Wings wouldn't have been formed, and McCartney, Harrison, and Lennon wouldn't have had the solo careers they had, and the Traveling Wilburys would have never formed.


Then another question will be asked."


Rules: no easy or half-assed answers like "well, music would be the same/different" or "nothing" or "someone else would have" and try to take it seriously
no overasked questions like "would NIRVANA be as popular had Kurt not died or "what if the Beatles wouldn't have been big" or something




and let the game begin!


Question:
What if Buddy Holly had not died in the airplane accident in 1959?

Comments

  • FizzelerFizzeler Washed Up
    edited January 2009
    He would have had a couple more reunions with The Clash did some benefit shows and support The Clash on Rock Band as well as continue to be an influence on modern punk

    What if Keith Moon had not died?
  • supernova1324supernova1324 Headliner
    edited January 2009
    The Who would be a popular band for a few more years and release a couple more albums with an improved drum track. He also would've done a killer drum solo at the VH1 rock honors.

    What if Steve Perry hadn't left Journey?
  • schmeankmanschmeankman Headliner
    edited January 2009
    I would go see them when they swung by near here on their tour.

    What if Stephen Stills had ended up joining the Jimi Hendrix Experience like he had been asked to?
  • Soror_YZBLSoror_YZBL Road Warrior
    edited January 2009
    He would have played with Hendrix for a few years, then parted after a showdown between he and Hendrix. Buffalo Springfield, however, would have never done enough together, and as such, Jim Messina would have not gotten any attention. Without Jim Messina, Kenny Loggins never develops the smooth but edged rock and roll sound he is famous for, and the song "Your Mama Don't Dance" would have never been covered by Poison. Oh, and CSNY would have still kept at it. Stills may have loved the blues sound, but he's a folkie at heart.

    What would have happened if Kurt Cobain would have survived his suicide attempt?
  • supernova1324supernova1324 Headliner
    edited January 2009
    Courtney Love would claim it was a homocide attempt while Kurt would be in a coma. Dave Grohl would become too devastated and he wouldn't start the Foo Fighters, which in turn would lead to no Probot.

    What would happen if David Lee Roth had commited suicide instead of just leaving Van Halen?
  • GowienczykGowienczyk Pooper of Parties
    edited January 2009
    OH I KNOW THIS ONE! Nirvana would of deformed eventually and Kurt Cobain would of probably like as he intended; did a project with the members with REM for a new band's album or just a solo album.

    What would of happened if Chuck Berry had died before 1959? (which is when he recorded Chuck Berry is On Top, wikipedia the article if you must.)

    EDIT: For the Van Halen question, I don't really listen to them, so I wouldn't know how to answer. I also think some of the answers here need to be taken a little more seriously, haha.
  • packerfan8675309packerfan8675309 Bladder of Steal
    edited January 2009
    For the Van Halen one: The group would have disbanded and gone there seperate ways.
  • MronoCMronoC Road Warrior
    edited January 2009
    To the Chuck Berry Question, (I'm assuming late '68 here) having already released two albums, and several iconic singles including Maybellene, Roll Over Beethoven, Rock and Roll Music, and Johnny B. Goode, he would simply become even more iconic, perhaps causing the music of the early '60s to become more focused on hard rock than poppier music of the british invasion. However the world we be a much poorer place for his having never released his 1972 live single "My Ding-A-Ling", and the lack of 1964s "You Never Can Tell" being used in the classic scene from the movie Pulp Fiction.

    What would happen if Dave Mustaine, after auditiong Dimebag Darrell Abbott before the recording of the "Rust in Peace" album, agreed to hire him and (firing Nick Menza) to his terms of also hiring his brother Vinnie Paul?
  • timmay9timmay9 Washed Up
    edited January 2009
    Megadeth would have released Rust in Peace, but the guitars would not have been as blazing. Conflicting personalities between Mustaine and Abbott would have caused Abbott to leave the band. Mustaine then would continue on in hiring and firing new band members over the years.

    What if John Bonham had not died in 1980?
  • a21schizoidmana21schizoidman Prog-nosticator
    edited January 2009
    Then Led Zeppelin would have released a few more albums that were even more dismal than Coda, and their fanbase would have diminished, ruining their legacy until Robert Plant quit the band due to their lack of success. Plant's very successful solo career would have never taken off and The Firm would have never been formed.


    What if John Rutsey remained Rush's drummer?
  • timmay9timmay9 Washed Up
    edited January 2009
    Rush would have never became the favorite band of nerds everywhere, and would have disbanded in the year's following after a few minor hits.

    What if Jim Morrison never died at 27?
  • a21schizoidmana21schizoidman Prog-nosticator
    edited January 2009
    timmay9;1801157 said:
    Rush would have never became the favorite band of nerds everywhere, and would have disbanded in the year's following after a few minor hits.

    What if Jim Morrison never died at 27?
    He would have died at 28. The lizard king would have fallen off-stage and broken his leg, leaving him mostly at home where he would OD still.


    What if Woodstock 1969 had turned violent like Altamont?
  • Rockbandfan23467Rockbandfan23467 Headliner
    edited January 2009
    Then there would be no movie, and 1,000 dead hippes to clean up.

    What if Brian Johnson joined Van Halen istead of Sammy Hagar? (Bon never died in this alternate universe.)
  • ClassicRockFanatic23ClassicRockFanatic23 Rising Star
    edited January 2009
    Then Van Halen would have done about the same, with a below average replacement who can never replace the original singer.
    And AC/DC, with Bon Scoot still around, would have kept up there rise as a popular band and become just as famous as usual.

    What if John Entwistle and Keith Moon had joined with Jimmy Page to from a super group with him?
  • a21schizoidmana21schizoidman Prog-nosticator
    edited January 2009
    AC/DC would still be making kick ass records, yet probably never reach the popularity they did because of no Back in Black, and ThunderSUCK would have never been recorded in the 90s, AC/DC would still be a killer hard rockin' blues-rock bar band.

    Van Halen would have kept their partish attitude, but would still have crappy songs due to Johnson's inability to write or sing. Therefore, it would be a combination of both eras, with the party-all-the-time Roth Van Halen of 1984, with synths and whiny-pop vocals of 5150.

    ninja:
    The Moon-question
    Neither The Who nor Led Zeppelin would have ever formed, Keith Moon would still have died in 1978, too. With neither of these groups, another group, such as MC5 would have made it big, and would have sustained a long-lasting influence, though many groups, such as the Clash and Generation X would not have formed, due to their influence of The Who.




    What if Bill Haley & His Comets single - Crazy, Man, Crazy had never charted?
  • wolfbanewolfbane Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    because at this point in haleys career, he was riding on the tails of
    rock the joint and crazy man crazy. a producer ,i forgot his name, from decca heard great things about him from his experience with essex records. so if the songs did not chart then one of the greatest, shake rattle n roll may not have happened

    What if deep purple never went to montreux to record at the casino?

    another question , what if jeff beck did not leave the yardbirds?

    sorry, i know i am not following the 1 question rule, just threw a few scenarios out so maybe more people would interact with this great thread.
  • harveyglobetrotharveyglobetrot Road Warrior
    edited January 2009
    I don't know enough about Deep Purple to answer that question, but I just wanted to say that this is a great idea for a thread. I love considering counter-factual/'What If's?' of events; they are a guaranteed conversation starter. Hopefully a question will come along that I have enough expertise to answer semi-intelligently.

    May this thread live long and prosper!

    On with the musing!
  • Rockbandfan23467Rockbandfan23467 Headliner
    edited January 2009
    If Beck never left the Yardbirds, then Led Zeppelin would not exist and thus, the Rock world would be completely different. However, they would be more than just "the band with 3 of the greatest guitarists ever at one point".

    What if Ozzy Osbourne died instead of Randy?
  • schmeankmanschmeankman Headliner
    edited January 2009
    Randy would have led a well respected solo career featuring more classical work before joining a well known 80's metal band for a few years until the nineties, where he joins some sort of metal supergroup. Dunno about Ozzy. The reality television world would never be the same I guess. ;)

    What if Gregg Allman died instead of Duane?
  • ClassicRockFanatic23ClassicRockFanatic23 Rising Star
    edited January 2009
    Then the Allmans would be without there singer/keyboardist and a songwriter, instead of there lead guitarist. and would have wound up in about the same position they are now, except with some even more kick-ass guitar work. Also, Barry Oakley would have not died, leaving the Allmans with a awesome bassist.

    What if Lifehouse was released as Pete wanted it to be?
  • cherokeesamcherokeesam Washed Up
    edited January 2009
    Lifehouse probably would have bombed, and even Who fans would have found it too obscure. Their legacy probably would not have endured, and they would've become one of "those 60s/70s bands" instead of one that flourishes to this day.

    What if Ronnie Van Zant had survived the plane crash?
  • ClassicRockFanatic23ClassicRockFanatic23 Rising Star
    edited January 2009
    With lead singer and lyricists alive, so in turn there songwriting team intact, but shaken by the loss of lead guitarist, Skynyrd goes on to continue with more hits abs success, a bit more successful with the extra talent of Van Zant.

    What if Hendrix had ended up not dying and joining Emerson, Lake and Palmer
  • schmeankmanschmeankman Headliner
    edited January 2009
    ^^Skynyrd would have carried out a string of succesful albums into the late eighties before breaking up over bordem of the band. Ronnie Van Zant would release 2 low budget under the radar solo albums in the 90's with Gary Rossington and Billy Powell, and Albert Collins and Gary Rossington would never form the Rossington-Collins band. Skynyrd would reunite for a reuinion tour in 2009 and a new album.
    ^Emerson, Lake, Hendrix and Palmer would be a lot more popular, and the band would continue recording hit albums into the late 70's when Hendrix left to work on a project with Stephen Stills. Due to the increased popularity of the band, Greg Lake would release a hit solo album, and Emerson and Palmer would jam together but not do anything musicaly before the group reformation in 1986.

    What if the Zombies never broke up?
  • a21schizoidmana21schizoidman Prog-nosticator
    edited January 2009
    then Argent would have never been formed, and The Zombies would have been the biggest band ever


    what if Syd had never been kicked out of Pink Floyd?
  • cherokeesamcherokeesam Washed Up
    edited January 2009
    schmeankman;1847307 said:
    ^Emerson, Lake, Hendrix and Palmer would be a lot more popular, and the band would continue recording hit albums into the late 70's when Hendrix left to work on a project with Stephen Stills. Due to the increased popularity of the band, Greg Lake would release a hit solo album, and Emerson and Palmer would jam together but not do anything musicaly before the group reformation in 1986.
    ....Addenda to the ELP + Hendrix scenario:

    Hendrix would, of course, receive top billing.
    Therefore the band would've forever been known as.....HELP. :)
  • wolfbanewolfbane Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    if syd barrett had not left pink floyd then we may not have ever gotten to listen to shine on you crazy diamond which was a tribute of sorts to syd but man, the possibilities of the collaborations that could have come of waters/barrett...

    what if neal schon and gregg rolie did not leave santana?
  • Soror_YZBLSoror_YZBL Road Warrior
    edited January 2009
    wolfbane;1848012 said:
    if syd barrett had not left pink floyd then we may not have ever gotten to listen to shine on you crazy diamond which was a tribute of sorts to syd but man, the possibilities of the collaborations that could have come of waters/barrett...

    what if neal schon and gregg rolie did not leave santana?
    I would wager that they still would have formed some version of Journey, but without dedicating their time to the project, they would have never been able to recruit Steve Perry and as such they would have stopped making music as that project in the mid-70's.

    What if Marc Bolan would have achieved the same stateside success that he enjoyed in the UK?
  • harveyglobetrotharveyglobetrot Road Warrior
    edited January 2009
    As in the UK, he would probably be mentioned along with glam-era Bowie as being the godfathers of that type of music. His music may also have taken an American turn (for some reason I imagine his/T-Rex's music sounding very Bruce Springsteen-ish). T-Rex would certainly get a lot more kudos than they currently do outside of the UK. He is certainly under-appreciated outside of the UK (beyond Bang A Gong (Get It On) most people in Australia have never heard of T-Rex/Bolan either).

    Keeping with the glam theme: What if Bryan Ferry had of left Roxy Music instead of Eno?
  • RunesmithRunesmith Headliner
    edited January 2009
    Roxy Music would attempt to record their third album after Bryan left when For Your Pleasure was released, but finding it far too difficult to record a cohesive record without their frontman, all of the members left to start their own projects. Both Bryan and Eno have commercially and critically successful solo careers, but the other members of Roxy Music are sadly left to relative obscurity (minus Paul Thompson's drumming gig for Concrete Blonde) until the band decides to put the past behind them and re-unite some time in the early 2000s. The original line-up continues to tour and record albums to this very day.

    What would have happened if Bill Berry never left R.E.M.?
  • harveyglobetrotharveyglobetrot Road Warrior
    edited January 2009
    Runesmith;1848682 said:
    Roxy Music would attempt to record their third album after Bryan left when For Your Pleasure was released, but finding it far too difficult to record a cohesive record without their frontman, all of the members left to start their own projects. Both Bryan and Eno have commercially and critically successful solo careers, but the other members of Roxy Music are sadly left to relative obscurity until the band decides to put the past behind them and re-unite some time in the early 2000s. The original line-up continues to tour and record albums to this very day.

    What would have happened if Bill Berry never left R.E.M.?
    I actually imagine Roxy Music go onto create one Here Come The Warm Jets album of relatively straight forward glam before devolving into a highly 'art-sy' group whose albums are name-checked but seldom heard. Ferry goes onto become a massive solo star, much bigger than he was in reality.

    R.E.M. don't record Up, but instead release an album that is championed by the band as a return to their roots, but it is not well received and the band, following Berry's aneurysm, don't tour in support of it. The band takes a long hiatus; Michael Stipe records a solo album very much in the mould of Up, Peter Buck plays with The Minus 5/whoever will have him, while Mike Mills and Bill Berry form a side project with Mills as frontman and a revolving cast of indie notables who go onto record the indie world's equivalent of Handle With Care and Traveling Wilbury's Vol. 1. 2004 sees the band reconvene for a greatest hits tour/Vote For Change tour and they continue to tour regularly to this day, with constant rumours of a new record in the works.

    What if Talking Heads had never recruited Jerry Harrison?
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