What do you consider metal?

bubbameisterbubbameister Unsigned
edited August 2007 in History of Rock
i've noticed that a lot of sources about bands like AC/DC and Van Halen describe their music as heavy metal but i consider it to be just Hard Rock.

It seems to me that you guy's know your music so what do you consider metal?

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  • S1NS71CKS1NS71CK Unsigned
    edited July 2007
    Rev0lver;11698 said:
    they are definitely just hard rock.
    I agree. I would call 'em hard rock. I would put bands like Metallica, Pantera, Slayer, Megadeth, and Anthrax in the metal category.
  • newwaytodienewwaytodie Road Warrior
    edited July 2007
    Maybe they are metal if you have never actually listened to real heavy metal. Although I don't like genres to begin with.
  • edited July 2007
    those bands are pussy**** compared to real metal
  • MadassAlexMadassAlex Unsigned
    edited July 2007
    AC/DC is definately just hard rock, although to be fair, Van Halen had a lot of influence in heavy metal which took to his tapping solos like a duck to water. Hard rock tended to leave that style of shredding behind.
  • MystophalesMystophales Unsigned
    edited July 2007
    Being a metal fan for more than 25 years (thats right I am that damn old...lol) I can say that back in the day (early 80's) they were considered metal but as the genre proliferated and became heavier they are now relegated to the Hard Rock Genre.
  • EisenheimEisenheim Unsigned
    edited July 2007
    I consider them almost Classic Rock to Hard Rock (if that).

    Metal is a totally different genre.

    I realize, at the time they formed it was considered Metal, but not anymore.
  • edited July 2007
    Well consider both those bands dont even rock at all, I consider them cock rock.
  • franknfurter1000franknfurter1000 Unsigned
    edited July 2007
    AC/DC is Hard Rock, but Van Halen IMO is Hair/Teeth Metal.
  • KillerzarequietKillerzarequiet Unsigned
    edited July 2007
    i dont think they are heavy metal or even hard rock for that matter
    they are classic rock at best
  • blackmarketpandablackmarketpanda Unsigned
    edited July 2007
    Genres change over time so they're both. Used to be Heavy Metal back then now they consider it Hard Rock because of the heavier bands out now.
  • monlienNH3monlienNH3 Opening Act
    edited July 2007
    AC/DC and Van Halen: it's a push to call them hard rock. I'd probably leave it at rock.

    As for the actual question, I'll use Metallica to define what I consider metal. "...And Justice for All" and previous albums = metal. The self-titled album and onward = hard rock.
  • newwaytodienewwaytodie Road Warrior
    edited July 2007
    who's the tard that said they were metal?
  • RiffMeisterRiffMeister Unsigned
    edited July 2007
    franknfurter1000;13079 said:
    AC/DC is Hard Rock, but Van Halen IMO is Hair/Teeth Metal.
    Both AC/DC and Van Halen have many songs that are commercial crap.

    But both bands have great heavy songs, however they are categorized.....

    Most... of what I like by VH that's heavy, is not played on Classic Rock Radio. What is played on Classic Rock radio by both of these bands.....sucks, or I'm sick of hearing, or both.....

    True heavy metal.... whatever that is.... Black Sabbath ?? I don't care for....

    I do however love Hard Rock and Metallic Hard Rock. And, these bands, however they may be categorized.... For example:

    Zeppelin
    Purple
    Metal Church
    White Zombie
    Pro-Pain
    Filter
    Some -- Megadeth
    Some -- Metallica
    Much -- Dream Theater -- But not all!!
    Priest
    Pink Floyd has some great Hard Rock in their catalog.
    As does The Who

    But I'll say it again.... most of what gets played on Classic Rock radio, and other corporate radio genres.... I think sucks, or I'm sick of hearing, or both..:)
  • benjaminbenjamin Opening Act
    edited July 2007
    Anything less extreme the Grindcore is not metal. I am teh elitist.
  • rcf1105rcf1105 Unsigned
    edited July 2007
    Jethro Tull is metal. They have the grammy to prove it.
  • hmxgrichhmxgrich Unsigned
    edited July 2007
    rcf1105;18633 said:
    Jethro Tull is metal. They have the grammy to prove it.
    Ha! You win the thread.
  • trent0090trent0090 Unsigned
    edited July 2007
    LOL, AC/DC and Van Halen metal? Has it gotten that bad? Metal is so nit picky about what it wants to call it self anyway. It really depends what you want to call metal, is it the lyrics or the playing? Tool is just a hard Pink Flyod (sort of) so it's hard rock, Pantera was metal-ish. It didn't have the speed or intensty (don't get me wrong I loved them.) Metallica is just to old to rock without a walker. So the only hope is from the other side of the world. With acts like Cradle of filth, blood stain child and Mayhem, as just a few bands that come to mind. Hell, Rammstein is harder in lyrics department then Mtallica. Now as the human torch would say Flame on!
  • Rev0lverRev0lver Road Warrior
    edited July 2007
    even some beatles can be hard rock(helter skelter)
  • Phrank-EPhrank-E Opening Act
    edited July 2007
    franknfurter1000;13079 said:
    AC/DC is Hard Rock, but Van Halen IMO is Hair/Teeth Metal.
    You watch too much VH1.
  • RiffMeisterRiffMeister Unsigned
    edited July 2007
    Rev0lver;19950 said:
    even some beatles can be hard rock(helter skelter)
    Si.... and "Carry That Weight" :D
  • AkaymayAkaymay Rising Star
    edited July 2007
    Being an AC/DC fanatic, I consider them Hard Rock. AC/DC considers themselves Rock and Roll, but they're Hard Rock. I always see music TV shows portraying them both as Heavy Metal. Hell, even on VH1 Classic, they Put Van Halen and AC/DC in Metal Mania. I dont understand it. I guess it considered Heavy Metal in the 80's.
  • fragpiratefragpirate Opening Act
    edited July 2007
    bounchfx;12221 said:
    those bands are pussy**** compared to real metal
    damn right.

    metal is heavy, fast, low, and just flat out evil.
    you know metal when you hear metal.
  • fragpiratefragpirate Opening Act
    edited July 2007
    blackmarketpanda;15576 said:
    Genres change over time so they're both. Used to be Heavy Metal back then now they consider it Hard Rock because of the heavier bands out now.
    there were heavier bands out back then

    slayer came out in the early 80s and i KNOW that your not gonna tell me that ac/dc is heavier than slayer... thats just rediculous.
    also there was venom, the first death metal band (imo)
  • whofanwhofan Headliner
    edited July 2007
    Heavy Metal began with Black Sabbath and ended with the explosion of Grunge in the early 90's.

    Anything before or after does not qualify as heavy metal. Of course, Metal still goes on in the form of Speed, Thrash, Death, etc. But heavy metal itself is dead with a few exceptions (Namely the newest Judas Priest album "Angel Of Retribution", which harkens back to the good days when Metal meant something)
  • IbanezBassist_v2IbanezBassist_v2 Road Warrior
    edited July 2007
    sushi111;13052 said:
    Well consider both those bands dont even rock at all, I consider them cock rock.
    Snap crackle pop!
  • LavatoryLoveMachineLavatoryLoveMachine Rising Star
    edited July 2007
    Once, they could have been heavy metal, before heavy metal set itself apart by doing other things. I think this mostly started with Judas Priest.

    Now, they are definitely not heavy metal, but considered very influential. I mean, Van Halen's virtuosity is like porn to any Metal shredder.

    And AC/DC is very influential too. I would guess they would have been influential in what we now consider heavy or traditional Metal (within Metal, heavy Metal is its own subgenre, rather than the name of the whole genre).

    And for those ignorants out there....Van Halen began before the whole hair band thing. They BECAME a hair band. They didnt start out like one at all exactly (sure, Roth had voluminous hair, but...). Besides, you have to be mentally sick to compare them to Poison or Motley Crue.

    If you dont like AC/DC.....I dont whats wrong with you, seriously.
  • BarryCBarryC Banned
    edited July 2007
    Eisenheim;13000 said:
    I consider them almost Classic Rock to Hard Rock (if that).

    Metal is a totally different genre.

    I realize, at the time they formed it was considered Metal, but not anymore.
    Metal is just a sub-genre of Rock which is a sub-genre of the Blues.
  • tmanrockstmanrocks Rising Star
    edited July 2007
    trent0090;19023 said:
    Pantera was metal-ish. It didn't have the speed or intensty
    O RLY?




    If you think that lacks speed and intensity you are retarded trent.

    Listen to the whole thing , not like 5 seconds.
  • jose92jose92 Unsigned
    edited July 2007
    ok i think aluminum is a metal...
    but i think metal is just a way
    of describing music...
    i don't really think there's a solid
    defanition of metal...but
    i'd have 2 say it's Ac/DC
  • LavatoryLoveMachineLavatoryLoveMachine Rising Star
    edited July 2007
    BarryC;24498 said:
    Metal is just a sub-genre of Rock which is a sub-genre of the Blues.
    You may be right, but that "just" you put in there ****s it up.
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