Lolicat;2105564 said:I would like to see an alternate universe where 2-Pac had not helped ruin hip-hop with idiotic macho posturing and violence.
Nuff_Said;2105648 said:make sure you have total clarity before making such remarks.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNcloTmvTeA
Lolicat;2105701 said:So he has some tracks where he isn't an awful person, wonderful. I still blame him, Biggie and a lot of others for the intensification of violence and gang culture within hip-hop, and the subsequent drift from political hip-hop. The thing is, Biggie and 2 Pac were both wonderfully gifted, which is what annoys me so much about the whole matter, they could deliver a verse like few others, but instead had to bury all that beneath stupidity because someone couldn't take a joke in the first place.
Oscar-Rio;2106201 said:you're an idiot. seriously.
Runesmith;2106218 said:That's a little uncalled for. While I don't really agree with Loli, his opinion is still a valid one.
KISSfan84;2106275 said:Buddy Holly
Oscar-Rio;2106201 said:. seriously. That was the life they were living. Thus, why they talked about it in such a manner. The rappers around in the last 10 years or so rely on fabrication and exaggeration. I blame the no talent hacks that over-glorify something they aren't truly involved in. I blame 50 cent and the likes of those idiots for what rap has become. And let's not confuse hip-hop with rap, they are, after all, quite different.
Sayburr;2107905 said:I just think if Bonham had not died his impact on the world of music would have been greater than it already was.
Lolicat;2107788 said:Hmmm, perhaps I was being too sweeping; what I as refering to in particular was the whole East/West rivalry that they were responsible for escalating, and the amount of diss tracks and hate that was subsequently generated.That said, even if that was the life they were living, they didn't need to represent it in the manner that they did, but rather could have condemned it like the political and alternative hip-hop artists.I do agree that modern R&B artists need to stop co-opting the pain of the ghetto for their own image, though, that's not kosher with me.
Sayburr;2107905 said:John Bonham.Hell, Moon might even be alive if it were not for Bonham's death. They were close friends and Moon just because lethargic. Before Moon died Pete Townshend had to remove the drums from The Music Must Change because Moon was not able to play the song and the album had to be finished