Talk Boxes

spudlyff8fanspudlyff8fan Unsigned
edited December 2009 in The Rock Band Network
For those who don't know, Talk Box is a piece of technology where you plug your guitar into it, and it ends up playing the guitar through the guitarist's mouth, who then actually "sings" the guitar into their mic, rather than traditionally playing the guitar through the amp. A few well-known examples:

Sweet Emotion by Aerosmith
Livin' on a Prayer by Bon Jovi
Several songs by Pink Floyd (this one is Keep Talking)

Different Rock Band and Guitar Hero songs have handled these differently. Man In the Box by Alice In Chains has the singer singing the talk box part in the opening. Livin' on a Prayer has the singer wait through the talk box parts.

So basically...how do you handle this when charting?

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  • trg007trg007 Your Ever Rocking RBN Forum Guru
    edited November 2009
    Don't forget "Show Me the Way" by Peter Frampton. :)
    spudlyff8fan;3292219 said:
    Man In the Box by Alice In Chains has the singer singing the talk box part in the opening. Livin' on a Prayer has the singer wait through the talk box parts.
    There's a good reason for this. In MitB, there is another guitar part playing along with the talk box part; miss a note while playing the guitar part and you'll still hear the talk box part that was charted to vocals. In LoaP, on the other hand, the only guitar part is the talk box; miss a note and you hear nothing.

    So if you have a couple of guitar parts on separate stems and one is using a talk box, you can chart the latter on vocals if you think it makes sense - just don't chart the same part to both instruments. If the talk box is the only guitar part being played, however, you should probably author it as a guitar part.
  • wesjett08wesjett08 Rising Star
    edited November 2009
    In MITB Layne is actually just harmonizing with the guitar part there ... The guitar for that part was ran through a wah-wah and a talk box.
  • Alright_ComputerAlright_Computer Butt Neck
    edited November 2009
    wesjett08;3292547 said:
    In MITB Layne is actually just harmonizing with the guitar part there ... The guitar for that part was ran through a wah-wah and a talk box.
    Yeah, this. You can hear Layne's actual voice pretty clearly in the actual mix of the song. They definitely didn't chart the talk box.

    It seems like it's standard practice based on a couple of the songs in the game already to chart talk box to guitar, so you should do that.
  • spudlyff8fanspudlyff8fan Unsigned
    edited November 2009
    Ok, forget Man in the Box. How do other songs handle talk boxes, relative to singing and playing guitar?
  • trg007trg007 Your Ever Rocking RBN Forum Guru
    edited November 2009
    spudlyff8fan;3296001 said:
    Ok, forget Man in the Box. How do other songs handle talk boxes, relative to singing and playing guitar?
    Already answered that. ;)
    trg007;3292251 said:
    In LoaP, on the other hand, the only guitar part is the talk box; miss a note and you hear nothing.
    ...
    If the talk box is the only guitar part being played, however, you should probably author it as a guitar part.
    Actually, I can't think of any song where it was charted to vocals aside from MitB (which I now understand is actual singing and not the talk box that was charted, anyway).
  • spudlyff8fanspudlyff8fan Unsigned
    edited November 2009
    trg007;3296085 said:
    Already answered that. ;)



    Actually, I can't think of any song where it was charted to vocals aside from MitB (which I now understand is actual singing and not the talk box that was charted, anyway).
    Do You Feel Like We Do had some of the talk boxing done...but only in the part where Frampton is very clearly speaking. In the other parts, they just have the singer wait and map the whole thing to the guitar.
  • trg007trg007 Your Ever Rocking RBN Forum Guru
    edited November 2009
    Guitar Hero 5 is made by a different developer so it's not even relevant to RBN authoring. You want to look at songs Harmonix has authored...RB1, RB2, Beatles, Lego, and all the DLC.
  • spudlyff8fanspudlyff8fan Unsigned
    edited November 2009
    trg007;3296265 said:
    Guitar Hero 5 is made by a different developer so it's not even relevant to RBN authoring. You want to look at songs Harmonix has authored...RB1, RB2, Beatles, Lego, and all the DLC.
    The precedents in Rock Band differ. Even though it's in Guitar Hero, it's still relevant to the question.
  • davidshekdavidshek Community Playtester
    edited November 2009
    spudlyff8fan;3297489 said:
    The precedents in Rock Band differ. Even though it's in Guitar Hero, it's still relevant to the question.
    No, it's not really. RBN songs are to be authored to the standards that HMX have set with their DLC and disc songs. What Neversoft has done with their chart authoring is completely irrelevant.

    Author Talk Box to guitar.
  • quilgfubtvquilgfubtv Unsigned
    edited November 2009
    I accept with information:Guitar Hero 5 is made by a different developer so it's not even relevant to RBN authoring.
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  • ryan12147ryan12147 Headliner
    edited December 2009
    Snoop Dogg used one in Sensual Seduction/Sexual Eruption
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