Should exported LRB songs appear as LRB or DLC?

SlaveOfAudioSlaveOfAudio Unsigned
edited December 2009 in LEGO: Rock Band
I have been debating this throughout the forums and few seem to see my point.

When Lego: Rock Band songs are exported into Rock Band 2, they show up as DLC - the same as any other DLC out there. This should not be the case. Like Rock Band 1, they should be tagged as being from a different location.

This includes:
1) Including LRB when sorting by location (RB1, RB2, LRB, DLC).
2) Including a LRB icon next to LRB songs, rather than the DLC arrow.

So, what do you think?

Comments

  • DocFearDocFear Unsigned
    edited December 2009
    I'd like to just can export them to my RB2 XDDD
    I can understand that you had no problem exporting, so you don't care (and that's how things go and how they have to. I'm not blaming you or somethinh like that) but as you may see I think (I HOPE ! XD) Hmx as a lot of work to do with the things we've paied for...I don't think they will "patch" what you're asking for

    But yes I'd prefer them to be in my database as LRB songs (or at least to be in it XDDD)
  • EhfahqEhfahq Headliner
    edited December 2009
    I dont think they should. But it would be nice.

    But since its DLC is shown as DLC. No big whoop.
  • guitarjackedguitarjacked Road Warrior
    edited December 2009
    It would be better if they were flagged as L:RB songs. The "they are downloaded songs" argument fails and is just pedantry of the highest order. But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
  • EhfahqEhfahq Headliner
    edited December 2009
    guitarjacked;3300085 said:
    It would be better if they were flagged as L:RB songs. The "they are downloaded songs" argument fails and is just pedantry of the highest order. But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
    Get over it. Its DLC. Its doesnt fail in any way.
  • guitarjackedguitarjacked Road Warrior
    edited December 2009
    guitarjacked;3300085 said:
    It would be better if they were flagged as L:RB songs. The "they are downloaded songs" argument fails and is just pedantry of the highest order. But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
    Ehfahq;3300100 said:
    Get over it. Its DLC. Its doesnt fail in any way.
    I don't think I have anything to get over (see in bold) but you seriously do.

    Just to clarify in detail on how I perceive the issue:

    I have no idea why they chose to make the "export" via downloading a pack but I do believe HMX call it a "Song Export Feature" on the card with the game which also states that "This insert includes a code that you will need if you want the ability to export the songs in Lego Rock Band to other Rock Band games."

    The web page where we redeem the code is www.rockband.com/lego-export. Whilst this is not entirely true techically as you do not actually take the songs from the disc onto your hard drive, you download the songs onto your hard drive. Either way you would have needed Lego RB to do this. It would make more sense being that the songs origin are Lego RB to state as such in RB1 or 2.

    RB1 or 2 will need a patch to have this feature as RB1 & 2 do not currently realise where the songs have come from. The same possibly would have happened if they were exported from the disc itself unless it had a patch included on the disc.

    If HMX choose to do this, it will improve the song filters but if they don't I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
  • EhfahqEhfahq Headliner
    edited December 2009
    "but you seriously do"

    What do I have to get over? That DLC is DLC? You can bold export all day long. Its still DLC.

    And im still waiting to hear how the "they are downloaded songs" argument fails.
  • leob5622leob5622 Opening Act
    edited December 2009
    It would really be more of an asthetic value but, Ehfahq's right, it doesn't matter as long as the music is there. I would like to see the 20 RB2 bonus songs listed proper with '2' as well. Heck, mark the 9 Unplugged exclusives with 'U' while we're at it. Asthetic or not, labeling the tracks would make them much easier to find.
  • ricecakericecake Road Warrior
    edited December 2009
    I would prefer the L:RB exports to be labeled differently from the rest of the DLC. I think the issue is that the L:RB songs are only available by exporting (this is also why I think the AC/DC pack should be separated as well). However, with the other track packs, you can get them separately from the online store without the disc (notwithstanding the track pack exclusives, which will eventually be put in the store). You do not have this option for the L:RB or AC/DC songs, as in you cannot just go to the online store to purchase them separately.
  • M3wThr33M3wThr33 Opening Act
    edited December 2009
    I would like more categorizing, yeah. I think we all do. The 20 Bonus Pack was the start of it. 20 random songs interspersed into a huge library and many got lost.
  • ClipheadCliphead Rising Star
    edited December 2009
    They should, but in the end it doesn't matter and would have probably been more trouble than it's worth (for instance, I'm pretty sure the reason they're downloaded in the first place instead of ripped from the disc is because RB2 isn't programmed to detect LEGO songs). It's one thing to browse for easy songs, or Bon Jovi songs, or metal songs, but it doesn't seem practical to find a particular song just because it's in Rock Band 1 or Lego Rock Band or downloaded. The only real difference is whether you see an arrow or a Lego block next to the title.
  • kennethvkennethv Unsigned
    edited December 2009
    In Rock Band 2, I sort by Band Name, so I guess it doesn't really matter to me either way.
  • BlasteroidsBlasteroids Road Warrior
    edited December 2009
    I like to see where the songs come from. I view DLC as additional single/packs that I have purchased from the store. The RB1 is from a disc and L:RB is (IMHO) still from the disc. If you did not have the disc then you would not have them showing. All disc based packs should be treated this way no matter how you export them since their located was disc based.

    Example..
    Person1 : "Dude you do not have x song, go get it. It shows as DLC."
    Person2 : "I looked at the store and its not there!!"
    Person1 : "Oh yeah, I actually got it from a disc. My bad. The icon shows as DLC."

    However, I am not sure how this would work for time-based disc packs that could eventually appear on the store. Suggestions anyone?
  • davidshekdavidshek Community Playtester
    edited December 2009
    Blasteroids;3304342 said:
    The RB1 is from a disc and L:RB is (IMHO) still from the disc.
    In your opinion? That doesn't make any sense. It's a fact: The L:RB songs were a downloaded pack. There's nothing there to have an opinion about.
  • TVRobotTVRobot Opening Act
    edited December 2009
    I get the "they were downloaded so that makes them dlc" point, but i still want them to have there own thing. but yes technically they should have their own thing
  • DekieonDekieon Rising Star
    edited December 2009
    When people say DLC, they are refering to songs that you can download from the rockband store. This is why many of us don't consider Lego songs as DLC. It is also resonable to believe that this is why HMX refers to this an an export even though it isn't technically exported from the cd. The reason the Lego songs are downloaded and not actually exported most likely has to do with a license issue or copy protection issue.

    As for why we don't have a Lego icon for the songs, is because the older games would need to be patched in order to show up as lego songs and not DLC. Personally I think Harmonix should have just included the icon image into each song's data file like they they do with the album art, category, difficulty etc. It would only be a few bytes of data and would avoid the need to patch the older Rock Band games in order to display the songs correctly.
  • ClipheadCliphead Rising Star
    edited December 2009
    Blasteroids;3304342 said:
    Example..
    Person1 : "Dude you do not have x song, go get it. It shows as DLC."
    Person2 : "I looked at the store and its not there!!"
    Person1 : "Oh yeah, I actually got it from a disc. My bad. The icon shows as DLC."

    However, I am not sure how this would work for time-based disc packs that could eventually appear on the store. Suggestions anyone?
    There's always playing Lego and remembering which songs were in it.
    Personally I think Harmonix should have just included the icon image into each song's data file like they they do with the album art, category, difficulty etc. It would only be a few bytes of data and would avoid the need to patch the older Rock Band games in order to display the songs correctly.
    In 2007 they weren't considering exporting games and didn't see the point in embedding an icon that would be exactly the same for every single song they had planned.

    Rock Band 1 songs show up as such because they're in the Rock Band data as save files. The Lego songs are saved as downloadable content, a pack that the game doesn't see any different from, say, the Boston pack or Queen pack or any of those. They could have programmed it to think "If pack == 'Lego Rock Band Export Pack' location == 'LEGO Rock Band'" but that would have required a patch, which would have called for additional testing, probably would have screwed up a seemingly irrelevant detail in the interface, &c. Like I said, more trouble than it's worth.
  • Bront20Bront20 The Writing's on the Wall
    edited December 2009
    I'd love a lego designation. Probably requires a patch. I'll let them finish the PS3 RB2 patch before I complain about this though.
    ricecake;3303373 said:
    I would prefer the L:RB exports to be labeled differently from the rest of the DLC. I think the issue is that the L:RB songs are only available by exporting (this is also why I think the AC/DC pack should be separated as well.
    Isn't sorting by band good enough for this? They even show up in the same album.
  • ricecakericecake Road Warrior
    edited December 2009
    @Bront20:
    What you say is true, and it doesn't really bother me too much, but I just consider it a nice-to-have feature.
  • JixzerJixzer Hillbilly Deluxe
    edited December 2009
    Well, while we're at it I want a different Icon for AC/DC, The country track pack, if I bought the song individually or with a pack, the artist's zodiac, and their favorite bubble gum flavor.

    Seriously, it's friggin DLC, regardless of source. GTF over it.
  • JPSChampagneJPSChampagne Rising Star
    edited December 2009
    I know nothing about programming something like this, but to me, why not just do something with Rock Band 2 to display them differently and leave the first game seeing them as DLC? All it would take, one would assume is to just make the game see that one download as a different tier of songs.

    As for the DLC / not DLC argument - are you people crazy? Just because you physically downloaded it doesn't mean that makes it DLC. Those songs came on a disc just like the Rock Band 1 songs. They will never be available as downloadable songs. Never. Why sort them with songs that have a completely different method of delivery?

    AC/DC gets off the hook, to me, as those songs are all by one band. You can group all of those tracks together just by sorting by Artist. As it stands now, there is no way to group the Lego tracks with each other and that, to me, is a flaw.

    I'm not gonna quit Rock Band or boycott anything, but this was a disappointment and I hope that a patch can resolve it.
  • guitarjackedguitarjacked Road Warrior
    edited December 2009
    The "they are DLC so should be labelled as such because they were downloaded" is pedantry. Who cares what the method of obtaining those songs was? Only those that like to split hairs on technicalities. It would be preferrable if the songs could be labelled as LRB songs. No biggie really is it? If it's not possible or doesn't happen is not going to bother me. I don't understand why anyone is against this suggestion or attack those that would like just because the songs were downloaded. Generally, I believe people will see these songs as LRB songs not DLC.
  • EhfahqEhfahq Headliner
    edited December 2009
    "The "they are DLC so should be labelled as such because they were downloaded" is pedantry."

    No its not. You can say it until you turn blue but it doesnt make it true

    "Who cares what the method of obtaining those songs was?"

    The game does. Thats why its sorted as DLC.

    "I don't understand why anyone is against this suggestion or attack those that would like just because the songs were downloaded."

    Nobody in this thread is against it. And nobody attacked anybody.
  • T-HybridT-Hybrid Washed Up
    edited December 2009
    BallisticJunkfood;3299463 said:
    Where's the "I don't really care much" button?
    That's my vote. This whole "issue" is annoying as heck. Anybody who has the 45 songs on their HDD knows where they came from...
    JPSChampagne;3305924 said:
    I know nothing about programming something like this, but to me, why not just do something with Rock Band 2 to display them differently and leave the first game seeing them as DLC? All it would take, one would assume is to just make the game see that one download as a different tier of songs.
    The only way for RB2 to read them different is if they have the data in them to be read.

    If there's nothing in the song metadata that says "Hey we are from LEGO", then there's nothing the game can do about it. Short of hardcoding the list of 45 songs....and "hardcoding" is often times a dirty word.
    M3wThr33;3303414 said:
    I would like more categorizing, yeah. I think we all do. The 20 Bonus Pack was the start of it. 20 random songs interspersed into a huge library and many got lost.
    The same could be said for any newly downloaded song.
  • sirdecksirdeck Unsigned
    edited December 2009
    Well, the rock band 2 songs are on-disc songs, they have their own icon.
    The rock band 1 songs are on-disc songs, they have their own icon.
    The lego rock band songs are on-disc songs, they should also have their own icon.

    Of course we know why they don't have their own icon, but that's not a logical reason, it's a technical reason. Logically they should be differenciated from the "normal" dlc.

    Lego rock band songs aren't "normal" dlc, unless you are able to download it without a lego rock band export code found in a lego rock band copy ?

    I don't know why you are trying to argue in a technical point of vue, that's hmx's developpers problem, as for any software in the world.

    Anyway, this issue is not really a big deal ;)

    PS : sorry for my poor english, I'm french so I suck in english ;)
  • JixzerJixzer Hillbilly Deluxe
    edited December 2009
    sirdeck;3306702 said:
    Well, the rock band 2 songs are on-disc songs, they have their own icon.
    The rock band 1 songs are on-disc songs, they have their own icon.
    The lego rock band songs are on-disc songs, they should also have their own icon.

    Of course we know why they don't have their own icon, but that's not a logical reason, it's a technical reason. Logically they should be differenciated from the "normal" dlc.

    Lego rock band songs aren't "normal" dlc, unless you are able to download it without a lego rock band export code found in a lego rock band copy ?

    I don't know why you are trying to argue in a technical point of vue, that's hmx's developpers problem, as for any software in the world.

    Anyway, this issue is not really a big deal ;)

    PS : sorry for my poor english, I'm french so I suck in english ;)
    Honestly, your English is better than most of the native speakers here. :)
  • EhfahqEhfahq Headliner
    edited December 2009
    "Lego rock band songs aren't "normal" dlc"

    DLC is DLC. There is nothing technical about it.
  • sirdecksirdeck Unsigned
    edited December 2009
    Ehfahq;3306726 said:
    "Lego rock band songs aren't "normal" dlc"

    DLC is DLC. There is nothing technical about it.
    I've never seen it in my playstation store, that's weird... It can't be classified as a downloadable content because all you need to have it is not just one of the rock band games and internet.

    But I guess you've found your super-constructive argument no one could ever deny : "IT GOES THROUGH INTERNET !!!"
  • davidshekdavidshek Community Playtester
    edited December 2009
    JPSChampagne;3305924 said:
    As for the DLC / not DLC argument - are you people crazy? Just because you physically downloaded it doesn't mean that makes it DLC.
    Well, yes, it really does. DLC stands for DownLoadable Content (or DownLoaded Content, depending on who you ask). By its very definition, the Lego song pack is DownLoaded Content because you downloaded it.
    sirdeck;3306702 said:
    Well, the rock band 2 songs are on-disc songs, they have their own icon.
    The rock band 1 songs are on-disc songs, they have their own icon.
    The lego rock band songs are on-disc songs, they should also have their own icon.

    Lego rock band songs aren't "normal" dlc, unless you are able to download it without a lego rock band export code found in a lego rock band copy ?
    The AC/DC live pack of songs are on-disc songs and are not available through the online stores. They don't have their own icon either. They are also listed as DLC because they too were downloaded songs.
  • ClipheadCliphead Rising Star
    edited December 2009
    guitarjacked;3306256 said:
    The "they are DLC so should be labelled as such because they were downloaded" is pedantry. Who cares what the method of obtaining those songs was? Only those that like to split hairs on technicalities.
    Logically, sorting by stars shouldn't require you to play the all songs again, but technically the game has no way of knowing the difficulty you played on. Logic is how it should be, but technicalities are more in line with what's actually possible.
  • BStu78BStu78 Road Warrior
    edited December 2009
    Cliphead;3306849 said:
    Logically, sorting by stars shouldn't require you to play the all songs again, but technically the game has no way of knowing the difficulty you played on. Logic is how it should be, but technicalities are more in line with what's actually possible.
    You're confusing two technical issues. He's talking about "technical" in term of semantics, while you are are referencing technical in terms of actual technology. Not that I agree with him, but he wasn't touching on the actual technical issues but only semantic issues.

    Indeed, though, the reason this won't happen is because the software engine can't do it without a patch and its clearly not a big enough issue to justify the software development expense. The current situation may not be ideal, but it is sufficient.
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