Muse DLC. Period.

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  • toomasiotoomasio Unsigned
    edited April 2008
    holy 135 pages....nice
  • SveppiSveppi Road Warrior
    edited April 2008
    toomasio;577753 said:
    holy 135 pages....nice
    I know right? This thread is so awesome.

    Give us a Muse pack next week! C'mon HMX I know you want to :) No better way to reach the 100th DLC song, right?
  • MusePTMusePT Rising Star
    edited April 2008
    Coldplayer;577409 said:
    I just watched HAARP and I kinda have mixed feelings. I didn't know every song but I really like the ones from Black Holes and some from Absolution, but there are some things I don't really like about Muse.

    First, I have to say the good things. The concert was breathtaking, I mean the stage technique and the performance. Amazing. Balamy is definitely one of the best musicians I've ever seen, could play hardcore guitar soli with his eyes closed, has an amazing voice and is also a great pianist. The other band membrs are amazing as well, of course.

    Now, to the criticism. Don't hate me, but I really have to say that many Muse songs really sound almost the same. You can probably say that about most bands, but I think I noticed that the most with Muse. For example Time Is Running out and Sing For Absolution kinda have the same sound, I mean, yeah, of course they sound like different songs, but they just are the same kind of songs.

    It's hard to explain, but especially if you hear those songs for the first time, if you listen through the whole concert and don't know the songs, I think you will think that you hear the same songs over and over.

    Of course there are also songs that stand out, like Invincible, Knights of Cydonia or Starlight. But there are also a few songs where people who don't know those songs really will say "Wait, didn't they play this already?"
    At least I said that about some songs, because, like I said, I didn't know every song and just listened through Absolution and Black Holes a few times.

    And there is another thing I didn't like. Some parts of some songs are just NOISE for me. What Belamy does with the guitar, although it's really amazing what he can do, for me, is still just some noises that even hurt a little. I know if I would be in that crowd and listen to those parts in this concert, I would immediately think "hopefully this song stops soon". I even thought this a few times while watching HAARP today.

    Don't get me wrong, I like Muse, and I really love the album Black Holes (and it's definitely better than almost everything that is in Rockband so far) but I think I know now why I didn't listen to Muse until now.

    I can still say I dicovered the band for me, I will continue to listen to Muse and I will still love many of their songs, but I know why this band will never be my fav band. It's just too guitar heavy.

    BTW, I never knew that Muse also did a cover of Feeling Good. I was really surprised.

    Oh, and another thing, while they played Supermassive Blackhole, I notice a guy in the crowd who kinda looks like HMXSean!! lol
    Okay, it probably wasn't him, but still :p
    I can't agree with you when you say the musics are alike... specially those two you mention!!!! I can say from the 4 albums the BH&R is the one I like the least (that doesn't mean that I don't like it), it's the most "Commercial/Pop" Muse album and it's very easy to see that from how many people that never heard of Muse before are in to the band since this last album, specially from songs like "Starlight", "Supermassive Black Hole", "Invincible"... So that's probably why you are more into this last album...

    what you say about the songs sounding the same is exactly what I think of Radiohead... songs without "force", songs too mellow and that seam to drag themselves in agony... It's hard to understand what Tom is saying in a lot of songs... I fell that music from Radiohead lack "power", "Strength"... and I fell the same about Coldplay...

    I really don't understand why so many people say that Muse and Radiohead are very much alike... I don't see any similarity... Muse as Power... Radiohead doesn't... Muse is uplifting, makes us want to "get up and change the world" but radiohead makes me want to sit down and fell depressed...

    I see Radiohead much like I see Coldplay... those two to me are very alike...


    And I don't mean no disrespect... it's just my opinion... I like some Radiohead songs a lot, like "Creep", "Idioteque", Fake Plastic Trees" but I think they are overrated... like U2 is the most overrated band ever!!! (but that's another discussion!! :p)

    Muse Rocks my Socks Off!!!!!!!
  • BubblegumBubblegum Rising Star
    edited April 2008
    Ooh, basis for wholesome discussion.

    I'll have to disagree that Time Is Running Out and Sing For Absolution sound similar. I'll take that the former and Hysteria sound kind of similar, but I never thought that about Sing for Absolution.
    Also, it's a first impression. Songs tend to run together the first time through because, obviously, there's more to notice than you can take in the first time through.
    Showbiz does sound a little samey, and Origin of Symmetry and Absolution have a pretty high degree of consistency, but... I really can't say the same thing about Black Holes and Revelations, it's quite varied. Anyway, the albums themselves are very different from each other, at least in my opinion.

    They do make a lot of noise. If I had to put forth one critique on Muse, that would probably be it. Then again, I was practically raised in a choir, and it's embedded in me the notion that noise and dissonance = bad, and that feedback is something we try to avoid when amplifying the pathetically quiet choir in the church with no acoustics. ><;
    But almost because of Muse, I've grown to tolerate and in some cases like noise and the use of feedback to create a distinct sound. It's very different in concert, too, and in HAARP at least, Bellamy gets carried away with the guitar at times.

    Muse gets epic pretty often, and I can't say that makes me like them any more or less. It's just something they do. (One thing I have noticed, though, is that the epic-ness of one of their songs or albums is proportionate to the epic-ness of the title. Their album titles escalate in epic-ness, as do the albums themselves. Butterflies and Hurricanes and Knights of Cydonia sound like they ought to be pretty epic songs, and they sound very epic.)
  • ColdplayerColdplayer Headliner
    edited April 2008
    @MusePT: Hm, well, that's your opinion. I can agree with you that they are different.

    I agree, Muse is more power, but I would'nt call Radiohead depressing, instead I would call them more "Feeling" and "emotional".

    So, Muse has more power, Radiohead more feeling, IMO.

    What I think, do both bands have is complex and great music. Yorke and Balamy are both great songwriters and great musicians. I hope I can write extensive music like they do one day.

    @Bubblegum: Reading your post now... EDIT: All I can say is, good post. :D
  • stxbomber191stxbomber191 Opening Act
    edited April 2008
    Sveppi;577773 said:
    I know right? This thread is so awesome.

    Give us a Muse pack next week! C'mon HMX I know you want to :) No better way to reach the 100th DLC song, right?

    I'm afraid that won't happen, as releasing a Muse pack before the Euro release would undercut the exclusives as much as giving them to the US before Europe.

    But I do expect either a Muse pack or even full album (Origin plz) by the end of June.
  • ColdplayerColdplayer Headliner
    edited April 2008
    Well, at least Hysteria is definitely coming very soon.

    But I highly doubt there will be a full album so early. They already announced the albums coming in the next months. Judas Priest in April, Cars in May and Pixies in June. Don't think they will release two albums in one month.
  • FatWilmaFatWilma Road Warrior
    edited April 2008
    Coldplayer;578050 said:
    So, Muse has more power, Radiohead more feeling, IMO.
    bam, u nailed it right there.

    MusePT, i can understand that u like more energetic music, but are u really trying to get up and change the world everytime u're listening to something?
  • BubblegumBubblegum Rising Star
    edited April 2008
    One could say the same about the Oasis pack released many moons ago.
    But I guess it's getting to be too close to the release of the European tracks to release more Muse, and it'll be a bit after that before Muse will be a safe release again.
    They've got to release the other full albums before they get to any Muse, too.

    Coldplayer: Thank you. :]
  • vicious136vicious136 Rising Star
    edited April 2008
    Bubblegum;578127 said:
    One could say the same about the Oasis pack released many moons ago.
    But I guess it's getting to be too close to the release of the European tracks to release more Muse, and it'll be a bit after that before Muse will be a safe release again.
    They've got to release the other full albums before they get to any Muse, too.

    Coldplayer: Thank you. :]
    Do you remember when the EU exclusives were leaked and this forum exploded with the wrath of Americans that wanted those songs and Europeans who wanted something special because of the crap they've had to go through to get the game? If they bust out some Muse, or worse, Hysteria itself, as DLC int he States before the EU release there will be an uproar like you wouldn't believe. We should be patient. The Muse will definitely come. I'd rather have to wait a bit than have it and feel even crappier about my friends in Europe and their RB situation.

    On another note, I want to say that the current discussion is exactly why I like posting in this thread in particular. Here, I feel like you can say what your opinion is and not have to worry about getting flamed by people who fly off the handle as soon as someone says anything negative about what they like. So thanks Coldplayer and thanks everyone else!

    Where's TakeABow and his cookies when you need him?
  • stxbomber191stxbomber191 Opening Act
    edited April 2008
    Actually, I think I'd rather not get Euro DLC and get a Muse pack after the Euro release.

    Because I prefer about 8 songs to Hysteria anyway.
  • BubblegumBubblegum Rising Star
    edited April 2008
    Oh, gosh, I remember that. :eek: That was hysteria in and of itself (And that was terrible.)
    Well, we know Hysteria won't come out until after the European release. (Or simultaneously, but I doubt it'll be that quick.) If that happened, not only would I feel awful for the Europeans for getting their exclusives before they do (Really. As an American 360 owner, I feel bad for people all over the place, but the Europeans... they've been waiting forever, they deserve their exclusives before we do. Provided we get them, that is, otherwise I'd just be genuinely pissed off.), but these forums would be practically inaccessible because of all the bickering people would be doing regarding the tracks.
    I'm waiting patiently (I'm on a roll here) for Hysteria, and that's that; I've got other ways to bide my time (studying for finals comes to mind, but eh. There's no reason I couldn't pass them if they were put in front of me now.). As for more Muse, I can wait for a while. Hysteria will keep me occupied for some time until they throw us something else.
  • MusePTMusePT Rising Star
    edited April 2008
    FatWilma;578104 said:
    bam, u nailed it right there.

    MusePT, i can understand that u like more energetic music, but are u really trying to get up and change the world everytime u're listening to something?
    No... but I rather listen to something that pushes me up than listen to something that drags me down!! ;)
  • xbadx1233xbadx1233 Opening Act
    edited April 2008
    Hey guys, like my new signature? I say we all post a 6 pack in our sigs! (remember, size 7 font and obnoxious colors!)
  • SveppiSveppi Road Warrior
    edited April 2008
    stxbomber191;578059 said:
    I'm afraid that won't happen, as releasing a Muse pack before the Euro release would undercut the exclusives as much as giving them to the US before Europe.

    But I do expect either a Muse pack or even full album (Origin plz) by the end of June.
    I know, call it wishful thinking :) And June would be nice for some more Muse!
    Bubblegum;578294 said:
    As for more Muse, I can wait for a while. Hysteria will keep me occupied for some time until they throw us something else.
    I'm practicing my Bellamy moves in anticipation to the release of Hysteria by watching live footage:)
    vicious136;578170 said:

    On another note, I want to say that the current discussion is exactly why I like posting in this thread in particular. Here, I feel like you can say what your opinion is and not have to worry about getting flamed by people who fly off the handle as soon as someone says anything negative about what they like. So thanks Coldplayer and thanks everyone else!
    I couldn't agree with you more, this is a flame free thread and that's why I love it:)
    xbadx1233;578459 said:
    Hey guys, like my new signature? I say we all post a 6 pack in our sigs! (remember, size 7 font and obnoxious colors!)
    It's a bit......big and in your face. I like the message, but you might wanna turn down the size a bit :)
  • FatWilmaFatWilma Road Warrior
    edited April 2008
    MusePT;578451 said:
    No... but I rather listen to something that pushes me up than listen to something that drags me down!! ;)
    like i said, i understand that u like high energy music. i do too. but what would up be if there was no down, hmm?
  • BubblegumBubblegum Rising Star
    edited April 2008
    Yeah, I guess that would make sense, seeing as it's the Tuesday after the release.
    Too bad the day before that is a school holiday; would have been the perfect time to throw a party for Hysteria. There's always the time between the end of school and the start of summer school, though. (Incidentally, June 9. Why~?)

    xbadx1233: It's... big. Takes up my whole page. It could be toned down a size or two... or twenty.
  • TakeABowTakeABow Road Warrior
    edited April 2008
    MusePT;578012 said:
    I really don't understand why so many people say that Muse and Radiohead are very much alike... I don't see any similarity... Muse as Power... Radiohead doesn't... Muse is uplifting, makes us want to "get up and change the world" but radiohead makes me want to sit down and fell depressed...
    Both Muse and Radiohead utilize keyboards/synthesizers. Both bands feature effects-laden, and often arpeggiated guitar riffs. Vocally, both tend toward slower, melodic tones, often featuring high falsettos for emphasis. Both draw influences from modern classical music, and tend to have very electronic sounding music, as well as very rich and expansive, as well as ambient tones. Both bands tend to write textured, polyrhythmic songs.

    Radiohead is more experimental, and tends to not use song devices like memorable hooks and shredding guitar solos.

    Muse likes to follow a more traditional song arrangement. The like to amp thier bass more, and I think tend to write songs with a certain 'grandness' to them.

    Also of note: John Leckie, who produced The Bends, also produced Showbiz.
    xbadx1233;578459 said:
    Hey guys, like my new signature? I say we all post a 6 pack in our sigs! (remember, size 7 font and obnoxious colors!)
    Large and in charge.

    But honestly, shrink that some. Or Alot.

    @Coldplayer, I want to discuss your analysis of H.A.A.R.P. in another post. I want to say meaningfull, and well grounded stuff, so I'm gonna watch it again before I post. Expect a response in a bit. Chances are by the time I actually get around to it, your post will be like 10 pages back, but I figure the discussion is worth having.
  • domer415domer415 Unsigned
    edited May 2008
    Coldplayer;578050 said:
    @MusePT: Hm, well, that's your opinion. I can agree with you that they are different.

    I agree, Muse is more power, but I would'nt call Radiohead depressing, instead I would call them more "Feeling" and "emotional".

    So, Muse has more power, Radiohead more feeling, IMO.

    What I think, do both bands have is complex and great music. Yorke and Balamy are both great songwriters and great musicians. I hope I can write extensive music like they do one day.

    @Bubblegum: Reading your post now... EDIT: All I can say is, good post. :D

    i truely agree with what you are saying here and i think that this is the reason i like both bands so much, one for the power and the other for the feeling
  • BonezBonez Road Warrior
    edited May 2008
    I guess I'm the only one who enjoys their use of feedback and the like. Maybe it's because I've been playing guitar for so long, but it just fascinates me. Personally, I can't wait to get my hands on some decent pickups and a few effects pedals so I can mess around with that stuff.
  • SveppiSveppi Road Warrior
    edited May 2008
    Bonez;579476 said:
    I guess I'm the only one who enjoys their use of feedback and the like. Maybe it's because I've been playing guitar for so long, but it just fascinates me. Personally, I can't wait to get my hands on some decent pickups and a few effects pedals so I can mess around with that stuff.
    I'm with you, I love their creative use of effects and such :)
  • ArtonosArtonos Unsigned
    edited May 2008
    A Hysteria/Assassian/New Born Muse pack would own.
  • edited May 2008
    Oh man Muse would be awesome!
  • RockstarLeoRockstarLeo Opening Act
    edited May 2008
    Ok, so I had a strange but pleasant experience with the Haarp SE dvd last night... I had tried watching it twice and despite my selecting 5.1 sound in the audio setup menu, it would always play in mono, which sucks...

    Well last night, I wanted to watch some of it with my girlfriend (who also digs muse) and I just fire up the DVD, and hit play right away, without going into the audio menu at all.

    Lo and behold, the dvd then proceeds to play in DTS sound, which is not only full-surround, but also, not listed as an audio option in the menu (or on the DVD sleeve for that matter).

    So it all comes down to don't select anything in the audio menu... needless to say I was puzzled but pleased :D
  • ColdplayerColdplayer Headliner
    edited May 2008
    vicious136;578170 said:
    Do you remember when the EU exclusives were leaked and this forum exploded with the wrath of Americans that wanted those songs and Europeans who wanted something special because of the crap they've had to go through to get the game? If they bust out some Muse, or worse, Hysteria itself, as DLC int he States before the EU release there will be an uproar like you wouldn't believe. We should be patient. The Muse will definitely come. I'd rather have to wait a bit than have it and feel even crappier about my friends in Europe and their RB situation.
    Well, I think that's stupid. Does it help Europe if the Americans have to suffer waiting for something although they actually must not? It doesn't bring Rockband out earlier if HMX is not giving the Americans the Muse DLC. At the time when Europe gets the game, Europe will get the whole DLC that was released in the US so far and at that time America will get the Europe exlusive tracks.
    On another note, I want to say that the current discussion is exactly why I like posting in this thread in particular. Here, I feel like you can say what your opinion is and not have to worry about getting flamed by people who fly off the handle as soon as someone says anything negative about what they like. So thanks Coldplayer and thanks everyone else!
    You're welcome. :)
    FatWilma;578487 said:
    like i said, i understand that u like high energy music. i do too. but what would up be if there was no down, hmm?
    If thought, "Up is the new Down"? :D
  • FatWilmaFatWilma Road Warrior
    edited May 2008
    haha, Down Is The New Up





    (from the In Rainbows bonus disc, maybe my favorite song of ALL In Rainbows tracks)
  • ColdplayerColdplayer Headliner
    edited May 2008
    FatWilma;580015 said:
    haha, Down Is The New Up
    Oh, yes, sorry, my mistake. Down is the new up! That's even better! Because that means he should like Radiohead as much as Muse, since Down is the New Up!! ;) :D
  • TakeABowTakeABow Road Warrior
    edited May 2008
    Coldplayer;579993 said:
    Well, I think that's stupid. Does it help Europe if the Americans have to suffer waiting for something although they actually must not? It doesn't bring Rockband out earlier if HMX is not giving the Americans the Muse DLC. At the time when Europe gets the game, Europe will get the whole DLC that was released in the US so far and at that time America will get the Europe exlusive tracks.
    I think its more of a philosphical thing. They want the PAL release to be "Special" since it was delayed so long. So they include a bunch of bonus tracks. Of course we get wind of this and thow a fit because we want Muse, and we want it now.

    But it would undermine the "uniqueness" of the PAL version to give them bonus tracks that have already been avaliable for a while. So the principle of the thing is to not release them until after May 23rd.

    Edit: I guess my post about why Radiohead and Muse sound alike did get lost. But I still intend to go through your HAARP criqique Coldplayer, as soon as I get a free evening.
  • ColdplayerColdplayer Headliner
    edited May 2008
    TakeABow;580319 said:
    I think its more of a philosphical thing. They want the PAL release to be "Special" since it was delayed so long. So they include a bunch of bonus tracks. Of course we get wind of this and thow a fit because we want Muse, and we want it now.

    But it would undermine the "uniqueness" of the PAL version to give them bonus tracks that have already been avaliable for a while. So the principle of the thing is to not release them until after May 23rd.
    Well, I think it's gift enough to give Europe those songs for free. America definitely have to pay for those songs.
    I still think HMX will release those songs in the end of May, probably on the same day when Europe gets all the American DLC.
    Edit: I guess my post about why Radiohead and Muse sound alike did get lost. But I still intend to go through your HAARP criqique Coldplayer, as soon as I get a free evening.
    Sorry! I really missed your last post! I have to agree with what you said. You said it more detailed. I just said one is power, one is feeling. :p

    And yo, take your time. I hope I could explain good enough how I feel about Muse's music. Looking forward to what you have to say!
  • Alright_ComputerAlright_Computer Butt Neck
    edited May 2008
    MusePT;578012 said:
    I can't agree with you when you say the musics are alike... specially those two you mention!!!! I can say from the 4 albums the BH&R is the one I like the least (that doesn't mean that I don't like it), it's the most "Commercial/Pop" Muse album and it's very easy to see that from how many people that never heard of Muse before are in to the band since this last album, specially from songs like "Starlight", "Supermassive Black Hole", "Invincible"... So that's probably why you are more into this last album...

    what you say about the songs sounding the same is exactly what I think of Radiohead... songs without "force", songs too mellow and that seam to drag themselves in agony... It's hard to understand what Tom is saying in a lot of songs... I fell that music from Radiohead lack "power", "Strength"... and I fell the same about Coldplay...

    I really don't understand why so many people say that Muse and Radiohead are very much alike... I don't see any similarity... Muse as Power... Radiohead doesn't... Muse is uplifting, makes us want to "get up and change the world" but radiohead makes me want to sit down and fell depressed...

    I see Radiohead much like I see Coldplay... those two to me are very alike...


    And I don't mean no disrespect... it's just my opinion... I like some Radiohead songs a lot, like "Creep", "Idioteque", Fake Plastic Trees" but I think they are overrated... like U2 is the most overrated band ever!!! (but that's another discussion!! :p)

    Muse Rocks my Socks Off!!!!!!!
    I guess we can agree to disagree... I personally like Muse, Radiohead, and U2 almost equally. Everyone has their opinion, and I respect it, unless they listen to Soulja Boy. But that doesn't belong here.
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