Top 20 Phish Songs for Rock Band DLC (extremely long)

jr174200jr174200 Road Warrior
edited March 2012 in Your Ultimate Setlist

WE DID IT!

WILSON CAME OUT AS DLC ON 6/2/09!


UPDATED: 11/4/08 - Added Top 5 Live Phish Songs - http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1528941#post1528941

Harmonies, Keys and Live songs have all joined Rock Band since I originally wrote this post. All three are phenomenal reasons to add more Phish to the game!!!

Original Post: 1/03/08

I am obsessed with Rock Band.

Every song I hear I imagine how it would play in Rock Band; I stay up all night on Monday waiting for DLC announcements; every conversation with a stranger quickly turns into “have you played Rock Band yet?”

As a casual Guitar Hero player who was planning to finally buy my own guitar with GHIII, I was absolutely blown-away when I heard the announcement for Rock Band. You mean I can also play drums and sing? You mean I can pretend to be Jonny Greenwood, Keith Moon or Ozzy Osbourne in the same game? This game was made for me and I couldn’t wait. I bought a 360 so I’d be ready for release.

Then it came: HMX struck a deal with The Grateful Dead for 18 songs. Now let me be clear that I would’ve bought the game anyway and enjoy a diverse array of music (just last night I was shocked by how much fun Move Along was to play) but when your bread and butter whose been largely ignored by other rhythm games announces they’re on the Rock Band bandwagon you get excited. The Dead was coming to Rock Band and my friends and I were stoked.

This isn’t a post about “where are the Dead songs?” however, but about the logical question that follows from any late-20’s fan of jam music: “where are the Phish songs?”

Phish would be unequivocally great for the game Rock Band. They’re musicianship is first rate, Trey plays a killer guitar solo on virtually every song and unlike many other jam bands, they took studio recording quite seriously and have recorded some phenomenal studio tracks that would translate perfectly to the game.

For awhile I accepted that Phish probably wouldn’t be in the game but then I came to my senses. They have to be in the game. They’re one of the most successful touring bands of all-time, they write amazing songs and most importantly, they are one of the only bands that could literally sell consoles with their inclusion. Outside of Led Zeppelin and The Beatles, how many bands could truly claim that sort of fan obsession? For evidence see this post!

Adding to that, that the game already has a built-in reference to Phish under the clothing feature, where it says “you can feel good about this hoodie” a blatant reference to my favorite song of all-time, Harry Hood, it is officially time for Phish to join the band roster of Rock Band.

Since I’ve seen a few casual requests for Phish before, but nothing huge, I have decided to truly breakdown their music and detail one fan’s opinion of which songs would best fit the game.

I have spent countless hours listening to their albums and discussing with friends what songs should be included and I feel confident in my choices. I plan to send these to HMX as well, but figured I should also post them on the boards for discussion.

I say that because I would love for this thread to become grounds for other Phish fans to voice their love of the band and their hopes of getting to play Phish live at ESG just once.

So without any further adieu, I’m going to strap on the old developer’s hat and truly breakdown Phish’s studio recording and decide which make the most sense for the game.

Obviously, with a band as musically unique as Phish, I needed to set some ground rules and here they are:

(i) The song has to be a studio recording to be considered. In order to have original mastered versions, which we all prefer, this simply has to be a rule with no questions asked. Along those lines, I’ve also outlawed non-official studio recordings, such as the Bearsville Session, the Wendell Studio sessions and Trey’s Senior Thesis, just because I have no idea the state of those master recordings.

This disqualifies many would-be great songs including: NICU, Runaway Jim, Mike’s>Hydrogen>Weekapaug, Halley’s Comet, Suzie Greenberg, All of Gamehendge, etc.

(ii) As painful as it is to say, instrumentals or near-instrumentals are highly penalized. As much as I’d like to say that David Bowie, Divided Sky, Run Like An Antelope, YEM, Harry Hood, Slave to the Traffic Light, First Tube, Piper and Guyute are all in the top-10 (wow, this list is more daunting than I expected), they simply wouldn’t work for Rock Band. They would be great for Guitar Hero, but not Rock Band. What is the vocalist supposed to do during these songs? Unless you’re playing/singing, these would be painfully boring, and a huge disappointment for non-phans.

Yes, you could say that non-phans shouldn’t download them, but that just doesn’t work in a commercial market. Many people buy all the DLC and after two plays, would be extremely disappointed every time Divided Sky or Slave came up in BWT.

Even songs like Reba that have enough phrases to make a vocal track, have huge sections with no lyrics that would bore everyone who hasn’t shared a tent with you at Deer Creek. If you don’t agree with me, throw in Lawn Boy, and honestly listen to Reba with a discerning ear for Rock Band. It just isn’t ideal for the game.

I’m sorry fellow fans, but these songs are either outlawed or penalized harshly (some of them, still might make the top 20, just not top 5) simply because I would expect HMX to do the exact same thing when selecting songs.

(iii) Page McConnell is my favorite member of Phish. Always has been and always will be. He has the best voice, is a phenomenal pianist and nothing hits me emotionally harder at a show than the end of Coil, Strange Design or the tearjerker that was Coventry’s Velvet Sea.

That said, songs where you feel like you’re truly missing his keys get docked. Obviously, he’s on every track and I actually like when he has isolated sections to relax to but sometimes it will just be too frustrating that you can’t play as him. The game is supposed to make you feel like you’re playing the song, not make you long for Rock Band 2 when you can play the piano sections. Listen to Bathtub Gin for the best example of what I refer to throughout this post as the “Page Penalty”.

(iv) Vocal harmonies also caused penalties of varying degrees for certain song, as I didn’t feel they’d translate well to the game. Songs like Rift and Limb by Limb were hurt badly by their responsive Trey/Page verses that I felt would hinder gameplay.

(v) The following rule was the most difficult for me but something I had to follow while making the list: throw out all baggage and misconceptions about the songs and just listen to them for Rock Band.

I spent twenty minutes the other night trying to convince my buddy Piper was in the top-5 songs for Rock Band. I mean, it has great drums, enough lyrics, and is one of my favorite songs, right? People will love it. Not so fast.

The next day I listened to it again and realized he was right. It takes forever to build, is partly mixed from a live version and even if I want to sing it most people won’t. No matter how much I prefer one song against another under different circumstances, this list is simply regarding the game and what would fit best. Nothing else applies.

So on that note, let’s start this bad boy off.

Comments

  • jr174200jr174200 Road Warrior
    edited January 2008
    First up are 5 songs that almost made the cut but for various reasons were left off.

    5. Glide – A Picture of Nectar

    Glide can’t really be in Rock Band, can it? The lyrics are basically non-existent, although there are enough for a vocal track and the drums are very repetitive, although quite interesting.

    Seriously, Glide just can’t be in Rock Band. But WOW would that guitar part be awesome. Like really, really, really, really awesome.

    4. Contact – Junta

    When people would make fun of you for liking Phish, especially ten years ago, Contact was always the song they brought up. “The tires are the things on your car that make contact with the road?” they would scoff. Yes, they are. It’s a silly song, I know. It also explodes musically for a few minutes and if you’re not careful will kick your ass and take names.

    That said, the “get made fun of factor” can’t be ignored. On one hand it’s a good thing but it’s also going to turn off a lot of gamers. It would be a love/hate song for many people and therefore not an ideal fit for the game.

    Also, the guitar’s kinda boring and the Page Penalty is huge.


    3. Tweezer Reprise – A Picture of Nectar


    Tweezer is too long and a terrible fit for Rock Band. It’s also debatably vulgar and doesn’t really go anywhere in the studio version.

    Tweezer Reprise however is a completely different story. It’s short, succinct and has a hypnotic building drive throughout. Unfortunately, it also has no real lyrics besides a few “won’t you step into the freezers at the end” (a total of four). Oh well.


    2. Sparkle - Rift

    Sparkle would be an absolute blast to play on drums. It would be a test of speed and accurarcy and simply a hoot. That said it would border on painful for the guitarist and I just can’t imagine it being much more fun on the bass either.

    Also, the lyrics get very repetitive, and although one of Phish’s catchiest tunes, it’s simply too much for Rock Band.


    1. Fluffhead – Junta

    I wanted Fluffhead to make the list, I truly did. Unfortunately when I broke it all down it simply wasn’t better than any of the songs in the Top 20, despite it being a perennial favorite and eagerly sought after song (especially toward the end).

    For outside of Bathtub Gin, Fluffhead probably had the harshest Page Penalty of any song. He is all over it. Seriously, listen to it and tell me what instrument you want to play? Coupled with the fact that it ends abruptly before the 11-minute Fluff’s Travels (which can’t be included) I just don’t think Fluffhead would work.
  • jr174200jr174200 Road Warrior
    edited January 2008
    The top-20 Phish songs for inclusion as DLC in Rock Band:


    20. Taste – Billy Breathes

    While listening back to the studio version of Taste, there was little question whose track it was. John Fishman is absolutely on fire on the drums, and for that alone there was no question Taste belonged in the top-20.

    There is also a clapping sort of thing in the mix as well for the vocalist, and as always great axe work for both lead and bass guitarists.

    This would also be one of the better singing tracks for the game as well. Although when it's all said and done, it’s about that drum kit.

    19. Axilla (Pt. 2) – Hoist

    This song was incredibly tricky to rank, since Axilla (Pt. 1) has become the standard for concerts and thusly, would be preferred by most fans. That said, only the lyrics are different and this song freaking ROCKS.

    It would be awesome to play with a group on all instruments and is a great example of Phish’s diversity. Axilla is really nothing more than a very well-written hard rock tune. HMX would however have to cut off the last minute, which I’m sure would be fine by them.


    18. Guyute – The Story of the Ghost

    If I was making this list for guitar hero, Guyute would skyrocket to the top. If I was a making a list for Drum hero or Keyboard hero? Right to the top. Unfortunately, it’s an 8 and a half minute song, with no vocalist for 5 minutes in the middle.

    But WOW, those minutes are glorious and would immediately become one of the most challenging guitar sections ever. Seriously, EVER!

    If you play guitar and don’t know Trey Anastasio as a guitarist, download this song and listen to it. Whenever I have friends whose favorite musicians are “music gods” but don’t know Phish well (see Dream Theater, Rush etc.), I play them Guyute. It’s just nasty.

    Honestly, I’m frightened of what they would do with Guyute on expert guitar from minute 3 to minute 7, not to mention playing drums while watching your buddy’s face turn red.

    Guyute would be my personal first choice for the game as a Phish fan, although I know it isn’t the best fit. But man, it would be a blast to play!


    17. Back on the Train – Farmhouse

    Talk about songs that surprised me. I certainly wasn’t expecting it but Back on the Train would be a great song for Rock Band. All four elements are strong and present throughout and this song would lend itself to a great party vibe due to its three-minute length and upbeat nature.

    The best thing Back on the Train has going for it though, is its universal appeal. There’s no element I secretly know would suck, (e.g. it’s short on words, has too many keys, or doesn’t have drums for four minutes), as I can simply say Back on the Train would be great for Rock Band. Even if it is simple.

    16. Mexican Cousin – Round Room

    This song is about drinking. It could also be construed as subtly racist by some. EA probably wouldn’t let it in the game. But if they would …

    Singing Mexican Cousin drunkenly with a group of friends would be the single funnest Rock Band Phish experience I can think of.

    Look at the lyrics:

    “Oh Tequila, I turn to you like a long lost friend
    I want to kiss my Mexican Cousin once again
    We'll cover every emotion from happiness to sorrow,
    And the conversations I forget, you'll tell me about tomorrow
    When the phone calls start, am I in bed or in a hearse?
    The things you tell me about myself can't make me feel any worse

    Well I'm awful sorry you got pissed
    Just have to cross you off the list
    Of my true friends...
    And Tequila's where that starts and where it ends”

    And then immediately after those lyrics? Trey goes into a mind-numbing solo to literally rock your drunk socks off. Should this maybe be higher on the list? Probably not. Damn moral code in America.

    Bonus Song #1 - Harpua – No Album

    For those of you who don’t know Harpua, it’s one of those songs whose legend has become bigger than the song. Unlike its other sought-after compadre Destiny Unbound, Harpua deserved all of its attention and then some, because it meant you were in for a memorable show. When you heard “oom-pa-pa-oom-pa-pa-oom-pa-pa-oom-pa-pa” you went nuts.

    The thing that made Harpua so interesting was that absolute lunacy would occur in the middle of the song. That’s no exaggeration. The general rule was established that Harpua meant all bets were off and anything could be covered in the middle section of the song. One time, Phish literally played the entirety of Dark Side of the Moon right in the middle. Harpua was that ridiculous.

    My idea is that you would start Harpua and then within the song the game would random setlist you a song or four. Just think about playing a Harpua > Foreplay/Longtime > Hard to Handle > War Pigs > Joe’s Garage (one can dream) > Harpua.

    That would be amazing. Impossible but amazing.


    15. You Enjoy Myself - Junta

    Damn Rule #2!!!

    By far Phish’s most played live song, You Enjoy Myself is a true testament to how wonderful of a band Phish truly was. The studio version is incredibly strong and simply an amazing showcase of their unique talent. If you don’t know this song, seriously listen to it sometime, it’s gorgeous.

    Unfortunately, Rule II strikes with a fatal blow to You Enjoy Myself’s head, as I can only make out about 16 vocal phrases, all nonsense, in a ten-minute song. Seriously, what is my niece going to do with “Wash Uffizi, Drive Me to Firenze” over-and-over again? Also, as an added hilarity one of those phrases is a “bad” word.

    But with all that said … MAN, it would be fun to play!

    14. Cavern – A Picture of Nectar

    One of Phish’s most popular rockers, Cavern has long been a fan favorite second set closer. It’s pretty straight-forward and would be quite fun on just about everything.

    The thing holding it back the most for me is the vocal track, as it’s really just Trey talking at a constant pitch the whole time. There are a whole lot of lyrics but they would probably only be fun for diehard fans until the end.

    Also, the lack of keys borders on becoming a problem at certain points.

    13. Golgi Apparatus – Junta

    Trey wrote this song in middle school and the rest is history.

    For an early recording, Trey’s voice actually sounds decent although it does disappear from the song for awhile. The rest of the parts are strong, especially drums who have a great role in the final climactic build which would lead to a great unison bonus.

    Also, do you think they could get Chris to do the lighting design for the DLC? That would be awesome!


    12. Scents and Subtle Sounds – Undermind

    The last truly great thing Phish did, Scents and Subtle Sounds is far and away the standout track on an otherwise underwhelming album (although Army of One is also strong, it wouldn’t work for Rock Band). The tone of Trey’s guitar reminds me of Hood (a great thing) and the drum part is one of the best.

    Add to that well-sung lyrics and Scents and Subtle Sounds would fit greatly into any Phish DLC pack, although it comes from a period many fans want to forget.


    11. Heavy Things – Farmhouse

    It’s the third highest downloaded song on iTunes, and an obvious option for the game. It’s catchy, well-written and that guitar solo would be one of the best.

    That said, I still don’t think it’s the best choice for the game, simply because the bass, vocals and drums get fairly boring for the second half of the song as Trey noodles his way into the history books.

    It’s a good song for the game, just not good enough for the top-10.


    Bonus Track #2 - Wilson – No Album

    If a solid studio version existed of Wilson it would be in the top 3. No questions asked. Probably No. 1.

    Just imagine the crowd screaming “WILSON” as you played the intro, and then BAM! The song simply explodes! Then at the end of the song they could have a fake Big Rock Ending, and then the song comes back, before the real Big Rock Ending.

    Listen to A Live One’s version and just imagine.

    It would be glorious. Simply glorious.
  • jr174200jr174200 Road Warrior
    edited January 2008
    10. Bouncing Around the Room – Lawn Boy

    Being the most popular Phish song gets you a lot of points in my book, and Bouncing Around the Room is their most popular song (#2 and #5 on iTunes). It’s kind of slow, not that interesting musically and I have no idea whose part you would sing in the ending harmonies (Page’s has the most melody but Trey is the “lead singer”).

    But again, it’s Phish most popular song. So, it’s number Ten.

    9. Ghost – The Story of the Ghost

    Ah, the sweet nasty funk of Fall ’97. Man, this song has such a nasty groove to it and represents the #1 thing Phish could bring to Rock Band: awesome bass parts! Seriously, if I was only allowed one instrument on this song it would be bass.

    Coupled with the obviously awesome guitar and drums, plus a good vocal track, Ghost would be a great choice for the game. Too bad, the song just fades in and out though.

    8. Character Zero – Billy Breathes

    Before further analysis, I was quite worried that the opening section would be too long for the drummer to wait and that the repetition of the asinine lyric “I ought to see the Man Mulcahey” would be mocked by people. Upon further analysis, I sort of agree with both concerns, but decided that neither really matter. Because ...

    Character Zero rocks really hard. After the first minute, which would still be fun for vocals and bass (depending how they chart it), this song is an absolute arena rock anthem and would be awesome to play for a fake crowd of loving phans.

    Last but not the least, the guitar solo on Zero just might be the most fun Rock Band Trey solo in the entire catalogue. Seriously, sit down and listen to this song, imagining the whole room singing along to the chorus and you’re on lead guitar. You’re playing along, taking a back seat for most of the song, when suddenly the song just absolutely explodes and you’re right in the middle of it. That note at 2:43 would be AMAZING! Simply amazing.

    7. Birds of a Feather – Story of the Ghost

    I have to admit, ever since its debut on the ’98 Island Tour, I’ve just never really “loved” this song. I like it, I just don’t love it. I guess I’ve just never really liked the lyrics or the intro that much.

    But I had to remind myself of Rule V and listen to it again with Rock Band in mind. What did I find? An almost perfect song for Rock Band., as the vocals would be fun to sing, cheesy or not, and all the instruments are solid.

    The only problem is that I wish the song ended with a refrain of the intro for gaming purpose, but otherwise it’s great.

    6. Chalk Dust Torture – A Picture of Nectar

    Take everything I said about Cavern and you basically have the same problems with Chalk Dust: a great straight-forward rocker with an unfortunately rough vocal track, this one even having a wacky voice effect to boot.

    But unlike Cavern, Chalk Dust Torture has what would immediately become one of the sickest guitar solos in rhythm game history. That solo is seriously evil and would be a blast even for the best players. Although it’s not the insanity of a Guyute, it’s a great, great solo that would be amazingly fun to play.

    5. - Stash – A Picture of Nectar

    Surrounded by radio hits and rock anthems, Stash was the longest song to crack the top 10, at just about 7 minutes (not too bad). It is also by far the most complex and intricate song in Phish’s catalog that still has a decent enough vocal track to be great for Rock Band.

    And don’t get me wrong when I say radio hits and rock anthems, Stash is extremely popular in its own right and well-known by casual fans. The guitar part would be great for the game, possessing both an awesome riff throughout and a great emotional solo at the end. Plus, the drums would be awesome too.

    4 - Sample in a Jar – Hoist

    On December 8th, 1995 at the age of 14, I saw my first of 40 Phish shows. At the time, I was just discovering the band and was young, naïve and “anti-posers”. So, as you might expect, when they opened with Sample, I was disappointed. Where was YEM, Hood or Bowie?

    Twelve years later, I find that story fairly hilarious, having now seen many other “sell-out songs” come and go. But now? Having gone back and broken down all of the studio albums, there is little surprise that Sample is one of the best songs for Rock Band.

    It’s actually an interesting correlation for almost every band; the best songs for Rock Band are almost always the most popular songs. Music executives and casual fans aren’t idiots and generally speaking they flock toward well-structured, well-written songs. These types of songs work perfect in the game for a reason. While us diehard fans like to deny it and call for the more obscure tracks, it’s usually the singles that work the best in the game.

    And on that note … Sample’s got a big rock ending!

    3. Farmhouse – Farmhouse

    Debuted on the Conan O’ Brian show, causing a big “what’s this song?” from many people watching at home, Farmhouse has now become a serious fan favorite from casual fans and friends of fans alike. Hell, it’s the number one downloaded song on iTunes (trying to not talk about this too much, but it is an important factor).

    The thing that sets Farmhouse apart from other songs is that the vocal track would be great. It has a smooth tone to it and would allow lead vocalists to open it up a little more than other Phish songs.

    Farmhouse is also a great example of why Phish would be GREAT for Rock Band players who like to sing and play guitar at the same time, just like Trey. The passing back and forth of focus from vocals to guitar would work extremely well and would be a blast to master.


    2- Down With Disease – Hoist

    Possessing what is generally regarded as Trey’s best Rock riff, Down With Disease is an obvious top-5 choice with a strong debate for first place. All the instruments play a large role on this powerhouse and did I mention the guitar riff at the end?

    I know this video is cheesy and dated, as Mike Gordon (bassist) directed it, but since this might be the only way I get non-phans to check them out (I do the same on other threads, so no worries) here is the one and only music video Phish ever made.

    If you have narrow attention spans or dislike the band, fast forward to 3:05 and listen for the guitar part. Now honestly tell me this song wouldn’t be awesome in Rock Band?





    1 - Free – Billy Breathes

    After it was all said and done, I decided that Free would be the single best Phish song for Rock Band. While already a concert favorite for many fans, Free was the first Phish song to really hit mainstream radio in 1996. I can still remember non-phans walking around school with Free patches and hearing the song play on the local rock station.

    Musically, it is simply perfect for the game. It has great sections for all three instruments and probably the best vocal track in their whole catalogue. The guitar riff is catchy and fun to play, there is a sick bass grove in the middle and Page’s part would actually be enjoyable as an aside.

    There is nothing bad I can say about Free, as I think it would be one of many great DLC Phish additions to the game that everyone could enjoy.

    So, I guess that’s it.

    I was not expecting this post to get this long, and am mildly embarrassed by it, but I know if I saw it on the internet I would read every word, so I’m giving that as an option to other phans.

    And please, if you read this and do enjoy it let me know, so my girlfriend doesn’t kill me for “wasting so much time”.

    Happy Holidays,

    Jeff
  • utahlasvegasutahlasvegas Unsigned
    edited January 2008
    If the Grateful Dead stuff sells well, which it should, Phish songs will be inevitable.
  • hammy7971hammy7971 Opening Act
    edited January 2008
    Greatest list...ever. Definitely wish that at least some Phish would make it into the game, cause that'd be awesome.
  • CSPJAMZCSPJAMZ Unsigned
    edited January 2008
    Now i am for the Phish downloads!
    Great list!
  • RyanAbrams77RyanAbrams77 Opening Act
    edited January 2008
    F the rules. Reba needs to be in this game.
  • RyanAbrams77RyanAbrams77 Opening Act
    edited January 2008
    Bump for justice
  • jr174200jr174200 Road Warrior
    edited January 2008
    Hey Ryan, thanks for the bump! I've been quite tempted to do some bumpage myself, but felt bad since I started the thread (although they disappear so fast around these parts).

    Since you brought up Reba, I just went back and re-listened and stand by my claim that it wouldn't work well in the game. While it's a phenomenal song, I just think the middle would sorta wander for the non-phan, unlike a song like Guyute that continually drives toward a climax. Although that final guitar solo is nothing short of unbelievable.

    Also, as silly as it sounds I don't trust little kids with the lyrics "bag it, tag it" over and over again, as that could turn into some seriously inappropriate hate mongering.

    That said, I know where you're coming from because if an official studio version of Harry Hood existed it would've cracked the top-5 on principle. Screw the rules, it's my favorite song and I would kill somebody to play virtual Trey on a monster Hood.
  • edited January 2008
    Great list.
    I don't think these could happen because they weren't studio recorded, but gotta give consideration to:

    Divided Sky
    Mike's Song
    You Enjoy Myself
    Weekapuag Groove


    Yeah, Wilson would be sick :D
  • RyanAbrams77RyanAbrams77 Opening Act
    edited January 2008
    My little list.

    Weekapaugh Groove.
    Julius would be fun...big band jazz comes to Rock Band =)
    Gotta Jibboo would be perfect.

    I agree heartily with everything else. Taste, Free, DWD, Sample, Character Zero.....I think I would simply quit life and devote myself to RB.
  • jr174200jr174200 Road Warrior
    edited January 2008
    Yeah, I've always planned to have Weekapaug play at my wedding, so that would be awesome.

    Alas, there is no studio version, but it is on the Wendell Studio sessions, an collection of unreleased studio tracks that you'll need to find a torrent of it. If you don't have these sessions get them, it has raw studio versions of Mike's > Hydrogen > Weekapaug, Suzy Greenberg, Possum, Harry Hood, Runaway Jim etc.

    In listening to the Weekapaug right now, it is fairly clean and if they have the masters it could definetly work for Rock Band.

    A Harmonix Weekapaug exclusive anyone? Ha, that would be amazing.
  • RyanAbrams77RyanAbrams77 Opening Act
    edited January 2008
    I think the biggest problem us Phanatics are going to encounter in trying to get Phish into RB is the fact that they are an acquired taste. I've tried to get many people into the band with no success, but every once an a while I catch someone with them on a mix or something and then a few months after that they are purchasing albums. It takes time to attune yourself to this kind of music.

    That being said, I think the medium of rhythm games would speed up the process significantly. I can only imagine how quickly I would have become so devoted to Phish if I could play Down With Disease with 3 of my friends.

    On another note, I loved seeing them live and listening to live recordings, but I am one of the minority guys who really likes the studio efforts. While the free form jazzy element of Phish is what makes them so special, a studio recording is as close as you're going to get to artist intention. I'd say I like different versions of some songs, but overall I always turn to the studios as the "master" recording of the song. Any thoughts?
  • hammy7971hammy7971 Opening Act
    edited January 2008
    Yeah, although I perhaps my like to rock out to a 30 minute Tweezer recording or You Enjoy Myself, I think the only way for Phish to actually get into the game would be to use studio recordings. As far as acquired taste goes, however, they do have a ton of songs, as listed in the original post, that would be very rock band-esque, such as Down With Disease. Plus, the great thing about Phish is that not only would the songs be incredibly fun to sing, they all have amazing drum, bass and guitar parts...if only the game had a keyboard peripheral/backup vocals. My personal top songs for Rock Band would have to be, in no particular order:
    Free, Character Zero, Down With Disease, Axilla Part II, Sample In A Jar, Golgi Apparatus, Llama, Cavern, Chalkdust Torture, Birds of a Feather, and The Connection

    For Rock Band, I think the stuff from Hoist and Billy Breathes would work the best for that Rock sound.

    I would add You Enjoy Myself, David Bowie, Stash, and Guelah Papyrus, but those all probably have too much jam, not enough vocals.

    As for Reba, I'm pretty sure my friends and I couldn't help ourselves from singing "Wrap it, Tap it, Leave it at the clinic at the door"
  • DasBobaDasBoba Unsigned
    edited January 2008
    I'm not even a "phanatic", but I can say this is the greatest forum post in the history of rhythm gaming. Every time I hear Phish, I listen to all the parts individually, and think about how much fun these songs would be to play for everyone involved. Great list, lets keep this bumped.
  • jr174200jr174200 Road Warrior
    edited January 2008
    DasBoba;246078 said:
    I'm not even a "phanatic", but I can say this is the greatest forum post in the history of rhythm gaming. Every time I hear Phish, I listen to all the parts individually, and think about how much fun these songs would be to play for everyone involved. Great list, lets keep this bumped.
    Thanks Das!

    Posts like this make me feel like my hard work wasn't for naught and I'm so glad you enjoyed it.

    Now, I'll just cross my fingers that the Dead DLC sells well and someone from HMX sees this thread!
  • MultiBeastMultiBeast Opening Act
    edited January 2008
    Yes!!! Phish would be awesome for Rock Band. I know that even those that aren't familiar with Phish will have a lot of fun playing their songs. All four instruments are a guaranteed great time. Can you imagine playing songs like "Poor Heart" or "Scent of a Mule"?!?

    One thing to consider is that a few of the songs already in Rock Band are long songs with lengthy instrumental parts (Green grasses, Foreplay/Long Time, etc.) are there haven't been any complaints so I don't think that's a problem there. I mean check out "And Justice for All." It's a 10 min. song with a lot of long instrumental sections. So, bring on songs like "Guyute" and "Maze." They can throw some tamborine sections in there anyway.

    Another thing is I believe all the master recordings of Lawn Boy have been lost so that would rule out any of those songs unless its a cover (yikes!). I may be wrong but I believe that's what I heard.

    Until then, I'm eagerly looking forward to the Dead pack (Franklin's Tower please!). I'm glad to see that there are people out there who share my obsession with Rock Band (and with Phish!) Rock on!
  • MultiBeastMultiBeast Opening Act
    edited January 2008
    Oh, my 20 Phish picks (in no particular order)

    1. Down with Disease
    2. Sample in a Jar
    3. Foam
    4. Cavern
    5. Stash
    6. It's Ice
    7. Scent of a Mule
    8. Free
    9. Guyute
    10. Taste
    11. Poor Heart
    12. Mango Song
    13. Maze
    14. Rift
    15. Limb by Limb
    16. Golgi Apparatus
    17. Chalkdust Torture
    18. Character Zero
    19. Billy Breathers (awesome solo)
    20. The Wedge
  • samtharsamthar Unsigned
    edited January 2008
    ...though I'd love to see a Phish release.

    Off the top of my head, here's a few shorter songs I'd like to see.

    Punch You in the Eye
    Famous Mockingbird
    AC/DC Bag
    My Friend, My Friend
    Mango Song
    Taste
    Glide
    Weigh
    Down With Disease
    Rift


    In an ideal world, REBA would be available. While I can do without the first 5-6 minutes (of any given live performance), everything from the slow, middle portion to the build-up and release into solo epitomize the beauty of Phish in my mind.
  • thakswetthakswet Unsigned
    edited January 2008
    Read the whole thing and agree 99%, we need You Enjoy Myself no matter what, just take out the bad word.

    I can't wait to play the Dead songs and would invest more than $1.99 in any Phish tune.
  • Ch0mpzCh0mpz Unsigned
    edited January 2008
    The best thread in the entire forums by far
  • bisqbisq Rising Star
    edited January 2008
    Great thread! This makes me want to go through their catalog and come up with a list as well. One thing that was mentioned and is true is that I don't think it really matters if there is a large instrumental section because honestly, I don't think the vocals are as important as the rest of the instruments in the band. Yes there should be some vocals, but if there is a lengthy instrumental break it shouldn't be a deal breaker. There are already a few songs with long instrumental sections in the game and nobody really complains (except people that can't beat GGAHT on guitar!). Plus if we are talking studio recordings, most of the these sections are really interesting throughout for all instruments involved and most any song will be under ten minutes. I know there are some longer live versions which have repetitive/boring sections for one or more instruments while one person takes the lead but for the most part the studio versions are tight. Plus, I noticed when doing solo vocal tour that the long ending of GGAHT was edited so I mean if people want to sing a song the developers could always do something like that. I guess this is really just a long reason to try to get Antelope in the game which would be sick but the fast build up at the end might not really be easy to chart or work that well. Even if it's not my favorite, I have to admit that Divided Sky would be the best near instrumental for the game. Maze would be good and isn't too long but relies on page a little too much. Limb by limb would work great but the call and response vocals would be kind of weird for one person to sing.


    To get right down to it, though, if you want my opinion as to what songs would work best overall and fit in with the spirit of the game it would EASILY be Down with Disease and Chalkdust Torture. Free would work, granted, but these songs are fun uptempo straight ahead rock with good guitar work. Once again, I think you are putting WAY too much weight on vocals. But on top of that, chalkdust's vocal track isn't really that weird or as difficult as you make it out to be...I mean look at some of the weird vocals in the game already (I get by, Timmy, etc.) I can get with most of the rest of your top 10 except I don't think bouncin' would work at all or be very fun play (or sing? Like you said how would that ending part work). As much as I love ghost, I'm just not sure the studio version is interesting enough and probably wouldn't be on my list. Character zero would work for the same reasons as DWD and chalkdust, I would just put it lower because I just don't think it's as good of a song. Sample works well and would get put just a notch above zero because of an excellent vocal part that is catchy and fun to sing. Birds is ok but not distinctive enough to put in front of zero, DWD, or chalkdust. Farmhouse is also overrated on your list, it wouldn't make my top 10 for various reasons. I just don't think it would be all that fun to play most importantly. Stash I LOVE and would probably put number three behind chalkdust and down with disease. It's a little long, a little weird, but the guitar part would instantly become one of the best and most difficult in the entire game as you kind of mentioned.

    Overall great post and interesting discussion... My vote is for Phish 3 pack of Down with disease, chalkdust, and stash with character zero and possibly golgi being honorable mentions. These aren't even close to my top 5 favorite phish songs (none of these are even in my top 5 except maybe dwd) but I do feel they would work best in the game.
  • ShadosShados Opening Act
    edited January 2008
    Someone really likes typing. o_O Good list, and I believe that writeups like these are what Harmonix really wanted when people are posting suggestions. While I'm not fully backing Phish, because I have tons of other bands to back for getting in, it'd be cool if they got in for the people who like them.
  • jr174200jr174200 Road Warrior
    edited January 2008
    bisq;262136 said:
    Great thread! This makes me want to go through their catalog and come up with a list as well. One thing that was mentioned and is true is that I don't think it really matters if there is a large instrumental section because honestly, I don't think the vocals are as important as the rest of the instruments in the band. Yes there should be some vocals, but if there is a lengthy instrumental break it shouldn't be a deal breaker. There are already a few songs with long instrumental sections in the game and nobody really complains (except people that can't beat GGAHT on guitar!). Plus if we are talking studio recordings, most of the these sections are really interesting throughout for all instruments involved and most any song will be under ten minutes. I know there are some longer live versions which have repetitive/boring sections for one or more instruments while one person takes the lead but for the most part the studio versions are tight. Plus, I noticed when doing solo vocal tour that the long ending of GGAHT was edited so I mean if people want to sing a song the developers could always do something like that. I guess this is really just a long reason to try to get Antelope in the game which would be sick but the fast build up at the end might not really be easy to chart or work that well. Even if it's not my favorite, I have to admit that Divided Sky would be the best near instrumental for the game. Maze would be good and isn't too long but relies on page a little too much. Limb by limb would work great but the call and response vocals would be kind of weird for one person to sing.


    To get right down to it, though, if you want my opinion as to what songs would work best overall and fit in with the spirit of the game it would EASILY be Down with Disease and Chalkdust Torture. Free would work, granted, but these songs are fun uptempo straight ahead rock with good guitar work. Once again, I think you are putting WAY too much weight on vocals. But on top of that, chalkdust's vocal track isn't really that weird or as difficult as you make it out to be...I mean look at some of the weird vocals in the game already (I get by, Timmy, etc.) I can get with most of the rest of your top 10 except I don't think bouncin' would work at all or be very fun play (or sing? Like you said how would that ending part work). As much as I love ghost, I'm just not sure the studio version is interesting enough and probably wouldn't be on my list. Character zero would work for the same reasons as DWD and chalkdust, I would just put it lower because I just don't think it's as good of a song. Sample works well and would get put just a notch above zero because of an excellent vocal part that is catchy and fun to sing. Birds is ok but not distinctive enough to put in front of zero, DWD, or chalkdust. Farmhouse is also overrated on your list, it wouldn't make my top 10 for various reasons. I just don't think it would be all that fun to play most importantly. Stash I LOVE and would probably put number three behind chalkdust and down with disease. It's a little long, a little weird, but the guitar part would instantly become one of the best and most difficult in the entire game as you kind of mentioned.

    Overall great post and interesting discussion... My vote is for Phish 3 pack of Down with disease, chalkdust, and stash with character zero and possibly golgi being honorable mentions. These aren't even close to my top 5 favorite phish songs (none of these are even in my top 5 except maybe dwd) but I do feel they would work best in the game.
    Nice!

    I made this post hoping someone would break it down and critique it, and I'm so glad you did. Not to mention your voted 3 pack came in 2nd, 5th and 6th in my list, so I think we're in a similar mindset for how it would work.

    Just a few reactions:

    - I agree that Boucin' would not be good for Rock Band. It's also the only song I've seen in non-phans giant song list requests and I've seen it twice. It's there most famous song and for that reason alone it's a possibility. Think of tenth place, as last in my the top-10, having already decided I couldn't leave it out of the top-10 due to it's recognizability.

    - Maybe I am overrating Phish's vocal track, but I think you're underrating 'popularity'. If you go through what DLC has been picked for bands, it's almost always their top downloaded songs on iTunes. Those are the songs that other people would buy. Obviously as phans, we would both buy Farmhouse (which is admittedly slow) but so would everyone that made it the #1 downloaded Phish song on iTunes.

    - Free would be amazing to play. It's got "good guitar work" like the "rockers", but it's also got this visceral feeling that would translate great to the game. The lights, the fake characters etc. it's just much easier to picture the animations for "Free" than a song like "Chalkdust". Seriously, go listen to the studio version while picturing that Tokyo venue and tell me "Free" wouldn't be awesome.

    Finally, if the songs ever do come out for download, millions of people will judge Phish solely on their DLC tracks. It will be the only songs by them they know and I think it's important that the DLC paints my favorite band in a positive light. I want the doubters to be surprised by how good the music is and I just think as far as studio recordings go, "Free" paints Phish in a better light than "Chalkdust".
  • HanksNBeanzHanksNBeanz Unsigned
    edited January 2008
    I didn't think there was a market for my favorite band of all time but now I can see there are other heads out there that wanta keep phishing. I hope someday Harmonix will get them onboard. I've seen Phish prob 25 or so times in my life and been to all the late summer festivals. I totally agree that this could sell way more units like he says cause.... honestly....... we can't tour anymore...... and we all had to go out and actually get jobs. What a bummer that was.


    But, seriously Harmonix.... if you bring them... they will come! Keep on Phishin guys!
    P.S. We just need some more jamband's in general..... or at all really.
  • billsbaker14billsbaker14 Unsigned
    edited January 2008
    Chalkdust Torture!
  • MultiBeastMultiBeast Opening Act
    edited January 2008
    great discussion! I really believe non-phans would eat up Phish DLC. A lot of people complain about repetitive guitar parts and chords on the songs that are out there. As soon as these people see the youtube videos of the rock band charts for songs like "stash" or "you enjoy myself" (if these songs were ever released), they would go nuts and snatch 'em up in an instant. Not only do these songs provide challenges for people who like riffs and soloing (on any instrument), but they are also fun.
  • cdoe001cdoe001 Opening Act
    edited January 2008
    PHAN OR NOT... LISTEN AND IT'S GREAT.... Farmhouse is a song about a note left in a cabin from a maid.... I had to read that in the book of Phish cause you would never guess that song was writen about some thing so simple... FARMHOUSE Should come out before any of the dead other then uncle johns band.... (My favorite Jam Band Song Ever.....)

    How bout some TEA LEAF GREEN TOO....
  • MultiBeastMultiBeast Opening Act
    edited January 2008
    Bring on "farmhouse"! bring on "stash"! bring on "bouncin"! I don't care. As long as its got the name phish attached to it, i'll be happy. :)
  • jr174200jr174200 Road Warrior
    edited January 2008
    Multi, every single time I see a post from you I unconsciously start singing "Tela". Thought you'd get a kick out of that.
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