Rocksmith & Rocksmith 2014 discussion thread

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  • kingtonyxkingtonyx Unofficial
    edited March 2011
    The advantage this game has is that it does not need the split track master recordings since the music never cuts out or anything like that and it's only guitar.

    Could be cool, but won't be as awesome as it claims. They will still have the problem with songs that are tuned differently from each other.
  • tnevakertnevaker Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    Darky_06;4336012 said:
    I guess if they want to sell a game bundle with an electric guitar for $200 then there has gotta be some shonkyness going down.

    you'd think they'd at least go with a full-size guitar though. unless they're just trying to sell this to kids.
  • GalexioGalexio Unsigned
    edited March 2011
    Just as long as they don't throw plastic guitars in a volcano just to prove that "the game with the actual guitar > the game with the plastic guitar," I approve their effort.

    I'll cite (http://www.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1715111#1715111).
    Guitar tracks might be applied rather than 2-channel stereo tracks, since game is advertised to have guitar effects.

    I like the game notation: highlight the neck in 2-D and show the all-familiar note highway. The engine looks really primitive, though. Reminds me of FoF. It's like building Pok
  • TheHundredDollarHeadacheTheHundredDollarHeadache Pedantic Broken Record
    edited March 2011
    Magnet;4335944 said:
    Also, "nor will you be penalized for any noodling you do between the required notes. In that way, Rocksmith encourages experimentation." So on a song with a specific strumming pattern (say groups of 3, 4, or 5 notes), instead of doing the pattern, you can just strum straight through, ignoring the pattern entirely with no penalty?
    Here's how I think it would work, using "Head Like A Hole" as an example:

    In RB3, you would break your combo for noodling during the verses, as well as playing the chorus just strumming straight through.

    If the song was in Rocksmith, it would probably let you fool around in between the parts where you are actually playing something. It still wouldn't.


    What sucks most are the real guitars bundled or intended for use with the real guitar games.

    First Act's SixString was the WORST, bar none. All plastic, can't sound good, and the bridge doesn't even intonate.

    The Epiphone Les Paul Express bundled with Rocksmith is probably okay except for the 22" scale. $20 more gets the Epiphone Specials, which are full scale. Alternatively, $20 less gets the Epiphone Les Paul Junior, which is also full scale but unfortunately has a non-intonating bridge.

    The Squier Rock Band 3 Pro Guitar was the best of these efforts. It appears to be built off a Squier Standard Series, which would have been a cut above the Epiphone Specials. A few improvements on the design - not texturing the plastic fretboard, separating the magnetic and MIDI pickup, and possibly better tuners - would have gone a long way towards making it good.

    Of course, for the same price as the Squier Rock Band 3 Pro Guitar + the MIDI Pro Adapter of your choice, you could get the Epiphone SG Faded, which is set neck and built to a much higher standard than Epiphone bolt-necks or Squiers.
  • LiveHomeVideoLiveHomeVideo Trying too hard
    edited March 2011
    Even article viewers at Rolling Stone and on Youtube are pissed over the lack of mention of the ultimate music game (not PowerGig, no, I'm talking about Rock Band 3).
  • raynebcraynebc Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    Galexio;4336050 said:
    I'll cite (http://www.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1715111#1715111).
    Guitar tracks might be applied rather than 2-channel stereo tracks, since game is advertised to have guitar effects.

    I missed that part, I guess they'd just need a mono track for each guitar? Either that, or apply the affect to all instrumentation/vocals.
  • mec_osmec_os Opening Act
    edited March 2011
    reading the different articles and comments on said articles, it's amazing how unaware people are of the squier or any of the pro instrument options for rb3. it's really shocking.

    the good news is that we now have a game to defer people to when they ***** they can't use their real guitar. the bass people not so much
  • LunaticSoulLunaticSoul Rising Star
    edited March 2011
    SheSaidSheSaid;4335979 said:
    What in the world makes Assassin's Creed and Beyond Good & Evil "a pile load of crap" ?

    Was referring more to their dark side (Just Dance, We Dare.. Milking of their products a la Activision)..It's one of those game society that I just can't find a way to not brag about.
  • LiveHomeVideoLiveHomeVideo Trying too hard
    edited March 2011
    LunaticSoul;4336154 said:
    Was referring more to their dark side (Just Dance, We Dare.. Milking of their products a la Activision)..It's one of those game society that I just can't find a way to not brag about.

    Just looked up We Dare. I vomited.
  • dog037dog037 This Many Days Since Last Ban:
    edited March 2011
    I don't know how they can say this is the first game with real guitar. I guess no one's heard of Power Gig or the Rock Band pro guitar, so they believe it.
  • Mega-TallicaMega-Tallica Washed Up
    edited March 2011
    dog037;4336166 said:
    I don't know how they can say this is the first game with real guitar. I guess no one's heard of Power Gig or the Rock Band pro guitar, so they believe it.
    Just browsing around the net, it looks like not many people consider guitars with midi pickups as "real" guitars so they are completely disregarding RB3's guitar (which is full scale unlike the Rocksmith one may be) and PowerGig's since they both have midi pickups.

    It's a shame how ignorant people can be sometimes ain't it?
  • princessjessa13princessjessa13 Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    Mega-Tallica;4336193 said:
    Just browsing around the net, it looks like not many people consider guitars with midi pickups as "real" guitars so they are completely disregarding RB3's guitar (which is full scale unlike the Rocksmith one may be) and PowerGig's since they both have midi pickups.

    It's a shame how ignorant people can be sometimes ain't it?

    ...though, to be fair, I don't think ANYONE can consider what PowerGig had to be a REAL GUITAR xP
  • Mega-TallicaMega-Tallica Washed Up
    edited March 2011
    princessjessa13;4336224 said:
    ...though, to be fair, I don't think ANYONE can consider what PowerGig had to be a REAL GUITAR xP
    If they consider the First Act guitars as "real", they can consider the PowerGig guitar as real. :p

    It is pretty much a real guitar except it has a smaller scale, much like the Les Paul Junior's, but it still contains real guitar parts. I don't see any argument towards RB3's Squier though.
  • Lawdog1521Lawdog1521 Squirrel Chasing Expert
    edited March 2011
    Rocksmith sounds like a rock polishing game.
  • monkeyfishmonkeyfish Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    Lawdog1521;4336239 said:
    Rocksmith sounds like a rock polishing game.

    From what I understand, you can put the guitar to the side, polish some rocks and still get through the song without any problems. A whopping forty-ish songs, and just the guitar parts for each of them.
  • TheHundredDollarHeadacheTheHundredDollarHeadache Pedantic Broken Record
    edited March 2011
    Mega-Tallica;4336226 said:
    If they consider the First Act guitars as "real", they can consider the PowerGig guitar as real. :p

    It is pretty much a real guitar except it has a smaller scale, much like the Les Paul Junior's
    I remember that someone once got sued by First Act because they were calling First Act (marching band) instruments "instrument-shaped objects".

    Les Paul Juniors have the same scale length as the other Gibson guitars, you may be thinking of the "Express" model they are bundling Rocksmith with.
  • Mega-TallicaMega-Tallica Washed Up
    edited March 2011
    TheHundredDollarHeadache;4336253 said:
    I remember that someone once got sued by First Act because they were calling First Act (marching band) instruments "instrument-shaped objects".

    Les Paul Juniors have the same scale length as the other Gibson guitars, you may be thinking of the "Express" model they are bundling Rocksmith with.
    Yeah, I meant the Express model, my bad.

    I laways interchange the two for some reason...
  • raynebcraynebc Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    Mega-Tallica;4336193 said:
    Just browsing around the net, it looks like not many people consider guitars with midi pickups as "real" guitars so they are completely disregarding RB3's guitar (which is full scale unlike the Rocksmith one may be) and PowerGig's since they both have midi pickups.

    Did the PowerGig guitar really have a MIDI pickup? I haven't anything like that up to now.
  • skyttskyttskyttskytt Headliner
    edited March 2011
    raynebc;4336259 said:
    Did the PowerGig guitar really have a MIDI pickup? I haven't anything like that up to now.

    I don't think it did, but wasn't the guitar made of plastic? Also, I think it was one of the reviews of Power Gig that called them "instrument-shaped objects." Never heard anyone got sued over it though.

    Edit: Also, I may actually pick this game up if it ends up being basically an interactive tab book, if it turns out to be standard game price (maybe I'll get it at a discount whenever). I have a real guitar already, so as long as the interface isn't clunky as all hell and confusing, it could be a decent investment. HMX seems like they don't have the manpower to put out a constant flood of pro g/b DLC, so why not another ~40 songs (or however many) for $40 or cheaper?
  • monkeyfishmonkeyfish Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    skyttskytt;4336264 said:
    HMX seems like they don't have the manpower to put out a constant flood of pro g/b DLC, so why not another ~40 songs (or however many) for $40 or cheaper?

    Unless I read that article wrong or missed some info, there's only guitar charts, for one thing.
  • Lawdog1521Lawdog1521 Squirrel Chasing Expert
    edited March 2011
    It's Ubisoft. They make Sam Fisher's nightvision googles have a giant green glowing light on front of them. Realism is their forte.
  • Mega-TallicaMega-Tallica Washed Up
    edited March 2011
    raynebc;4336259 said:
    Did the PowerGig guitar really have a MIDI pickup? I haven't anything like that up to now.
    Yes it does and I think it also had a real pickup so you could play through an amp.

    Also, it's not made out of plastic, it's made out of basswood and maple, two very commonly used woods for "real" guitars. The only thing about it is it has a very small scale which makes it feel toy-ish and unauthentic.
  • kitlerckitlerc Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    Not enough shown for me to pass judgment. I wonder if they will have it as guitar only....
  • skyttskyttskyttskytt Headliner
    edited March 2011
    monkeyfish;4336273 said:
    Unless I read that article wrong or missed some info, there's only guitar charts, for one thing.

    In all honesty, I usually only play bass when I play with friends and we switch off. Still, HMX is capped at what they can put out it seems, either in terms of manpower or what's profitable, if this game is "good enough," then it's a source of extra charts. Duplicates will definitely hurt my decision.
  • skyttskyttskyttskytt Headliner
    edited March 2011
    Mega-Tallica;4336287 said:
    Yes it does and I think it also had a real pickup so you could play through an amp.

    Also, it's not made out of plastic, it's made out of basswood and maple, two very commonly used woods for "real" guitars. The only thing about it is it has a very small scale which makes it feel toy-ish and unauthentic.

    Huh, the more you know. I thought someone had said it was plastic, or at least part of it was plastic. I really never cared to look into it, it definitely looked like plastic in some pictures, so I never questioned it.
  • raynebcraynebc Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    Mega-Tallica;4336287 said:
    Yes it does and I think it also had a real pickup so you could play through an amp.

    Looks like it really does, which surprises me:
    http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3115.0

    As far as duplicates, the PR for RockSmith seemed to want to make it clear that they were going for mostly or all exclusives as far as song selection went.
  • dog037dog037 This Many Days Since Last Ban:
    edited March 2011
    According to ScoreHero, these songs are confirmed from a screenshot:

    http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/198408_157767507614267_151544094903275_314849_7430655_n.jpg

    Yellow Moon Band - "Chimney"
    Interpol - "Slow Hands"
    Best Coast - "When I'm With You"
    The Animals - "House Of The Rising Sun"
    Nirvana - "In Bloom"
  • TheGreatDaveTheGreatDave Unsigned
    edited March 2011
    Rocksmith is an evolution of Guitar Rising, a game which was announced at least as far back as 2008, and supported any guitar. It's safe to say after seeing that those videos back in the day Harmonix were inspired to create pro guitar mode for RB3 in order to stay competitive.

    When you think about it, Harmonix kinda stole the idea. Not sure how to feel about this tbh.
  • princessjessa13princessjessa13 Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    dog037;4336317 said:
    According to ScoreHero, these songs are confirmed from a screenshot:

    Yellow Moon Band - "Chimney"
    Interpol - "Slow Hands"
    Best Coast - "When I'm With You"
    The Animals - "House Of The Rising Sun"
    Nirvana - "In Bloom"

    WHAT? NO! NO NO NO NO!

    After "Misery Business", "House of the Rising Sun" became my most desired RB track. ESPECIALLY AS WE HAVE A F*CKING KEYBOARD NOW!!!

    Ugh, this better not be an exclusive track...
  • ElitroElitro Opening Act
    edited March 2011
    No excuse to hate on this announcement.

    First of all, if it succeeds its either because it's very good or because of it's marketing.

    I think HMX could use this to their benefit, if it works they can try to get their word out that RB3 also has pro guitar, if people are more aware that these tools exist they will notice more of them.

    This also seems to bring some cool concepts like the amp mode and such, if it's successful HMX can apply it to a possible future product with a guaranteed chance of acceptance.

    Also people seem to bash it not having no on-line co-op but the truth is that RB online isn't that great, and if the product wants to teach you guitar the point is getting outside and show it to your friends so i understand why it might skip it.

    So far the major feature seems to be the all guitar input. But that still remains to be seen... it's a huuuge promise thou!

    Honestly i was expecting GH to follow this instead, my plan was to buy RB and GH later since both of them have very different music selections and i like GH more... also do notice this game is aimed solely at guitar, while RB sacrificed much to get the piano in there. Which is noticeable not only in the disc songs but also in the dlc... which has been very lackluster to me (personal oppinion not general...).

    This also marks the possible revival (or final strike) of the music genre, after all this doom and gloom is nice to see some companies still believe this has something left!

    At this point i'm still waiting on my squier, but i won't cancel it. RB has too much of a lead regarding song selection and a system which works 100% and i can trust. But if Rocksmith turns any good ill get both :).

    People on the fence might wait it out to see if it's worth it, but if you don't have a squier by now (unless you are still waiting like me) you either won't get it or are waiting on a price drop so i don't feel this will have any meaningful impact in future sales.

    Guess we'll know more at E3.
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