Doom878;4408343 said:http://youtu.be/1u_6CY4ntJQFirst latency complaint
tnevaker;4408396 said:i KNEW this was going to be a problem. the reviewer says that unless they fix the latency problem, the game won't work. problem is, they CAN'T fix it, not for everyone, because in most cases it is caused by the sound processing in the tv and/or av receiver.
RRhoads;4408457 said:No it's not. I can play guitar fine without latency when I connect my guitar to my computer. I got one of the old Creative X-FI cards. Some crappy soundcards might have a delay though.I can imagine fixing it for consoles might be a problem.
tnevaker;4408505 said:i don't think you read what i wrote. i said that for most people playing this game, the audio lag will be caused by the tv or av receiver. what does plugging a guitar into a computer or sound card have to do with that?
RRhoads;4408578 said:What's the difference? I don't get audio lag through my speakers when my guitar is connected to my soundcard. At least not any noticeable lag. I don't use digital cables from my soundcard to the amplifier though. That could have something to do with it. I don't know. All I know is my experience. I have to set my soundcard in "Audio Creation Mode" to not experience lag. I think this is where the problem is.I understand what you are trying to say, but think about it. If it was your audio or AV Receiver that was the problem, you would have the same problem with Rock Band.
tnevaker;4408616 said:that's why RB and these types of games have the calibration settings. because RB only plays back pre-recorded audio files, it can easily just play those files back 30ms or however much earlier, to account for the lag. if i miss a note, it cuts the audio out, albeit 30ms late. but this game depends on the guitar signal itself to produce the sound, so it can't get by on playing pre-recorded audio a bit early to compensate for lag introduced by other parts of the system. the game has no way of anticipating what note you're going to play before you actually play it, unless they've invented some kind of special ESP function or something.i can still hear the audio lag in RB if i turn on drum fills. i can play with the pre-recorded drum track fine, since the calibration compensates for the audio lag. but when it goes to drum fills, the software has to wait for me to hit a note before producing a sound, so it can no longer compensate and i hear the notes 30ms after i actually hit them, which makes keeping a rhythm in time impossible for that section. the best thing about RB3 for me was that option to turn off drum fills. you can also hear the lag when someone is singing in the mic and has the in-game mic volume turned up. so the problem does exist for RB too, but to a much lesser degree, and there are workarounds that make the game playable. i don't see any possible workaround for this game, unless you turn off the in-game guitar audio completely and play through your own amp, but then that defeats the selling points of all those in-game effects and amp modes and whatnot they are advertising.
Doom878;4408621 said:You don't have the problem with Rock Band because of the sensors on the Squier/Mustang. If you plugged in the Rocksmith cable to a guitar and tried to play RB3 (assuming it worked) then yes latency would still be an issue. HMX knew this thus opting for game specific guitars.
tnevaker;4408616 said:...the right things about lag...
RRhoads;4408719 said:What if the signal is analog, do you think there would be delay then? Like I said, I don't get any noticeable lag between my PC and sound system when I connect my guitar there. I would be getting this game for PC anyway.
tnevaker;4408616 said:the best thing about RB3 for me was that option to turn off drum fills.
DMBillies;4408750 said:I am guessing your computer "sound system" does not have nearly the signal processing of most modern TV's and surround sound systems, which do all kinds of "magic" to the signal before it comes out of your speakers. The issue the guy in the review is talking about results from the amount of time it takes for an audio signal to go from the console/computer, through your sound system, and out the speakers, not the amount of time it takes for the instrument to send a signal to the console/computer.
DMBillies;4408750 said:If audio takes 30 ms from the time it leaves the console to come out the speakers, any guitar you hook up to that console is going to play a sound AT LEAST 30 ms after you strum the notes (adding on any time it takes to get from the guitar to the console, which will typically be very small, and any processing that the console does). This will be inescapable for many people unless they are playing on a system with near 0 lag (which may be your computer, but anyone with a surround sound system is probably in trouble).
DMBillies;4408750 said:Read any thread on calibration and you'll notice two things: 1) In games where timing an action appropriately with an audio and video signal is critically important, people notice rather small misalignments, and 2) TV's and sound systems vary widely in how much audio and video lag they introduce.
dog037;4409021 said:New Songs! Best Coast When I'm With You Blur Song 2 The Black Keys Next Girl The Boxer Rebellion Step Out Of The Car Cream Sunshine Of Your Love The Cribs We Share The Same Skies The Cure Boys Don't Cry Jenny O Well OK Honey Lynyrd Skynyrd Sweet Home Alabama Nirvana Breed Pixies Where Is My Mind? Radiohead High and Dry Red Fang Number Thirteen The Rolling Stones The Spider and the Fly Silversun Pickups Panic Switch Soundgarden - Outshined Spoon Me and The Bean Stone Temple Pilots Vasoline Taddy Porter Mean ***** Titus Andronicus A More Perfect Union White Denim Burnished The White Stripes Icky Thump Yellow Moon Band - Chimney Soundgarden exclusive? Other than Where is My Mind? not much to excite me.
dog037;4409021 said:New Songs!• Best Coast – When I'm With You • Blur – Song 2 • The Black Keys – Next Girl • The Boxer Rebellion – Step Out Of The Car • Cream – Sunshine Of Your Love • The Cribs – We Share The Same Skies • The Cure – Boys Don't Cry • Jenny O – Well OK Honey • Lynyrd Skynyrd – Sweet Home Alabama • Nirvana – Breed • Pixies – Where Is My Mind? • Radiohead – High and Dry • Red Fang – Number Thirteen • The Rolling Stones – The Spider and the Fly • Silversun Pickups – Panic Switch • Soundgarden - Outshined • Spoon – Me and The Bean • Stone Temple Pilots – Vasoline • Taddy Porter – Mean ***** • Titus Andronicus – A More Perfect Union • White Denim – Burnished • The White Stripes – Icky Thump • Yellow Moon Band - Chimney Soundgarden exclusive? Other than Where is My Mind? not much to excite me.Edit: Source
dog037;4409021 said:New Songs!Soundgarden exclusive? Other than Where is My Mind? not much to excite me.Edit: Source
RRhoads;4408881 said:Why are you only thinking about the latency between the console and the speakers? Why do you also think surround has anything to do with it? Processing? What about amps/pedals with different DIGITAL effects? How do you explain that there is no input lag there?
dog037;4409021 said:New Songs! Best Coast When I'm With You Blur Song 2 The Black Keys Next Girl The Boxer Rebellion Step Out Of The Car Cream Sunshine Of Your Love The Cribs We Share The Same Skies The Cure Boys Don't Cry Jenny O Well OK Honey Lynyrd Skynyrd Sweet Home Alabama Nirvana Breed Pixies Where Is My Mind? Radiohead High and Dry Red Fang Number Thirteen The Rolling Stones The Spider and the Fly Silversun Pickups Panic Switch Soundgarden - Outshined Spoon Me and The Bean Stone Temple Pilots Vasoline Taddy Porter Mean ***** Titus Andronicus A More Perfect Union White Denim Burnished The White Stripes Icky Thump Yellow Moon Band - Chimney Soundgarden exclusive? Other than Where is My Mind? not much to excite me.Edit: Source
DMBillies;4409492 said:In any case, lag at any point is a problem, I was just saying that lag in the system that occurs after the console/PC, is something that Rocksmith has no control over and there is no way to calibrate for it.
Ruz-El;4410153 said:I have a guitar, but I'm not interested in this game at all. Unless it hits the $20 price or something. That said, they have a Rolling Stones song that I don't think has appeared anywhere else. We need some of these Stones songs in Rock Band! It ain't right I tell ya!I'm going to email Keith Richards and get on this...