Rocksmith & Rocksmith 2014 discussion thread

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  • tnevakertnevaker Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    toymachineSH;4335891 said:

    that guitar will really make people appreciate the RB3 squier.
  • mec_osmec_os Opening Act
    edited March 2011
    Magnet;4335944 said:
    But I think the whole game really boils down to how accurately the game can read and process the input. And when it comes to close-together notes ringing out and chords, I suspect it's going to be extremely lenient on what it counts as accurate. And the more lenient it is, the less impressive and reliable the technology is, and the less useful it will be to the player in terms of getting correct feedback from the game as a learning tool. Guess we'll just have to wait and see how advanced their technology really is.
    i don't think it will be accurate at all. from what's been shown and said, it doesn't even seem like you get much feedback as to what you are doing. it seems like it will be more like garageband's "how am i doing" where it analyses sections after the fact then it gives you a percentage of hits.

    i think this game is fail, not because of concept but because of execution. an interactive tab reader is fine, but from what's shown so far, the tabs aren't that easy to read. again, something like garageband has something better already in place. just like a musician doesn't see themselves playing on a plastic guitar, as a graphic designer i don't see myself using such a crappy interface.

    EDIT: it also seems suspect that the wii is not in the equation. i know a lot of companies snub it, but this is money whoring ubisoft. so my guess is that the adapter is nothing more than a usb sound card and the console is doing all the processing hence something like the wii is not supported.
  • raynebcraynebc Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    bjyaritz;4335943 said:
    One question, does the Fender Squier work with this game?

    It should, since RockSmith only plugs into a guitar's quarter inch audio output, of which the Squier has one.
    Magnet;4335944 said:
    The part about no difficulty setting and "automatic" adjustments seems like it could be problematic. Let's say there's a song constantly switching up between an easy riff section and a troublesome group of notes and the game tries doing some automatic adjustments for me. If I can hit the easy part, then I get all of the notes shown. But if I start messing up on the hard part, is it going to remove some notes from the next easy section, which I could already hit all of the notes on? Even if it is implemented better than that, I think it'd be extremely difficult to try to learn a song when you could be shown a different grouping of notes each play-through depending on where and how much you mess up.

    I got the impression, from reading various articles so far, that the game adapts difficulty per section, so it won't necessarily lower the difficulty of an easy riff just because it had to for a hard riff.
  • SheSaidSheSaidSheSaidSheSaid Washed Up
    edited March 2011
    LunaticSoul;4335590 said:
    Nowadays, everything Ubisoft makes is a pile load of crap
    What in the world makes Assassin's Creed and Beyond Good & Evil "a pile load of crap" ?
  • mec_osmec_os Opening Act
    edited March 2011
    SheSaidSheSaid;4335979 said:
    What in the world makes Assassin's Creed and Beyond Good & Evil "a pile load of crap" ?

    i can't speak for assassin's creed, but Beyond Good & Evil as good as it was doesn't count as "now a days".
  • Darky_06Darky_06 Opening Act
    edited March 2011
    tnevaker;4335948 said:
    that guitar will really make people appreciate the RB3 squier.

    I guess if they want to sell a game bundle with an electric guitar for $200 then there has gotta be some shonkyness going down.
  • NumanoidNumanoid Opening Act
    edited March 2011
    I'd buy this to learn some new songs using my real guitar. Depends on the interface, of course.
  • kingtonyxkingtonyx Unofficial
    edited March 2011
    The advantage this game has is that it does not need the split track master recordings since the music never cuts out or anything like that and it's only guitar.

    Could be cool, but won't be as awesome as it claims. They will still have the problem with songs that are tuned differently from each other.
  • tnevakertnevaker Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    Darky_06;4336012 said:
    I guess if they want to sell a game bundle with an electric guitar for $200 then there has gotta be some shonkyness going down.

    you'd think they'd at least go with a full-size guitar though. unless they're just trying to sell this to kids.
  • GalexioGalexio Unsigned
    edited March 2011
    Just as long as they don't throw plastic guitars in a volcano just to prove that "the game with the actual guitar > the game with the plastic guitar," I approve their effort.

    I'll cite (http://www.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1715111#1715111).
    Guitar tracks might be applied rather than 2-channel stereo tracks, since game is advertised to have guitar effects.

    I like the game notation: highlight the neck in 2-D and show the all-familiar note highway. The engine looks really primitive, though. Reminds me of FoF. It's like building Pok
  • TheHundredDollarHeadacheTheHundredDollarHeadache Pedantic Broken Record
    edited March 2011
    Magnet;4335944 said:
    Also, "nor will you be penalized for any noodling you do between the required notes. In that way, Rocksmith encourages experimentation." So on a song with a specific strumming pattern (say groups of 3, 4, or 5 notes), instead of doing the pattern, you can just strum straight through, ignoring the pattern entirely with no penalty?
    Here's how I think it would work, using "Head Like A Hole" as an example:

    In RB3, you would break your combo for noodling during the verses, as well as playing the chorus just strumming straight through.

    If the song was in Rocksmith, it would probably let you fool around in between the parts where you are actually playing something. It still wouldn't.


    What sucks most are the real guitars bundled or intended for use with the real guitar games.

    First Act's SixString was the WORST, bar none. All plastic, can't sound good, and the bridge doesn't even intonate.

    The Epiphone Les Paul Express bundled with Rocksmith is probably okay except for the 22" scale. $20 more gets the Epiphone Specials, which are full scale. Alternatively, $20 less gets the Epiphone Les Paul Junior, which is also full scale but unfortunately has a non-intonating bridge.

    The Squier Rock Band 3 Pro Guitar was the best of these efforts. It appears to be built off a Squier Standard Series, which would have been a cut above the Epiphone Specials. A few improvements on the design - not texturing the plastic fretboard, separating the magnetic and MIDI pickup, and possibly better tuners - would have gone a long way towards making it good.

    Of course, for the same price as the Squier Rock Band 3 Pro Guitar + the MIDI Pro Adapter of your choice, you could get the Epiphone SG Faded, which is set neck and built to a much higher standard than Epiphone bolt-necks or Squiers.
  • LiveHomeVideoLiveHomeVideo Trying too hard
    edited March 2011
    Even article viewers at Rolling Stone and on Youtube are pissed over the lack of mention of the ultimate music game (not PowerGig, no, I'm talking about Rock Band 3).
  • raynebcraynebc Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    Galexio;4336050 said:
    I'll cite (http://www.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1715111#1715111).
    Guitar tracks might be applied rather than 2-channel stereo tracks, since game is advertised to have guitar effects.

    I missed that part, I guess they'd just need a mono track for each guitar? Either that, or apply the affect to all instrumentation/vocals.
  • mec_osmec_os Opening Act
    edited March 2011
    reading the different articles and comments on said articles, it's amazing how unaware people are of the squier or any of the pro instrument options for rb3. it's really shocking.

    the good news is that we now have a game to defer people to when they ***** they can't use their real guitar. the bass people not so much
  • LunaticSoulLunaticSoul Rising Star
    edited March 2011
    SheSaidSheSaid;4335979 said:
    What in the world makes Assassin's Creed and Beyond Good & Evil "a pile load of crap" ?

    Was referring more to their dark side (Just Dance, We Dare.. Milking of their products a la Activision)..It's one of those game society that I just can't find a way to not brag about.
  • LiveHomeVideoLiveHomeVideo Trying too hard
    edited March 2011
    LunaticSoul;4336154 said:
    Was referring more to their dark side (Just Dance, We Dare.. Milking of their products a la Activision)..It's one of those game society that I just can't find a way to not brag about.

    Just looked up We Dare. I vomited.
  • dog037dog037 This Many Days Since Last Ban:
    edited March 2011
    I don't know how they can say this is the first game with real guitar. I guess no one's heard of Power Gig or the Rock Band pro guitar, so they believe it.
  • Mega-TallicaMega-Tallica Washed Up
    edited March 2011
    dog037;4336166 said:
    I don't know how they can say this is the first game with real guitar. I guess no one's heard of Power Gig or the Rock Band pro guitar, so they believe it.
    Just browsing around the net, it looks like not many people consider guitars with midi pickups as "real" guitars so they are completely disregarding RB3's guitar (which is full scale unlike the Rocksmith one may be) and PowerGig's since they both have midi pickups.

    It's a shame how ignorant people can be sometimes ain't it?
  • princessjessa13princessjessa13 Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    Mega-Tallica;4336193 said:
    Just browsing around the net, it looks like not many people consider guitars with midi pickups as "real" guitars so they are completely disregarding RB3's guitar (which is full scale unlike the Rocksmith one may be) and PowerGig's since they both have midi pickups.

    It's a shame how ignorant people can be sometimes ain't it?

    ...though, to be fair, I don't think ANYONE can consider what PowerGig had to be a REAL GUITAR xP
  • Mega-TallicaMega-Tallica Washed Up
    edited March 2011
    princessjessa13;4336224 said:
    ...though, to be fair, I don't think ANYONE can consider what PowerGig had to be a REAL GUITAR xP
    If they consider the First Act guitars as "real", they can consider the PowerGig guitar as real. :p

    It is pretty much a real guitar except it has a smaller scale, much like the Les Paul Junior's, but it still contains real guitar parts. I don't see any argument towards RB3's Squier though.
  • Lawdog1521Lawdog1521 Squirrel Chasing Expert
    edited March 2011
    Rocksmith sounds like a rock polishing game.
  • monkeyfishmonkeyfish Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    Lawdog1521;4336239 said:
    Rocksmith sounds like a rock polishing game.

    From what I understand, you can put the guitar to the side, polish some rocks and still get through the song without any problems. A whopping forty-ish songs, and just the guitar parts for each of them.
  • TheHundredDollarHeadacheTheHundredDollarHeadache Pedantic Broken Record
    edited March 2011
    Mega-Tallica;4336226 said:
    If they consider the First Act guitars as "real", they can consider the PowerGig guitar as real. :p

    It is pretty much a real guitar except it has a smaller scale, much like the Les Paul Junior's
    I remember that someone once got sued by First Act because they were calling First Act (marching band) instruments "instrument-shaped objects".

    Les Paul Juniors have the same scale length as the other Gibson guitars, you may be thinking of the "Express" model they are bundling Rocksmith with.
  • Mega-TallicaMega-Tallica Washed Up
    edited March 2011
    TheHundredDollarHeadache;4336253 said:
    I remember that someone once got sued by First Act because they were calling First Act (marching band) instruments "instrument-shaped objects".

    Les Paul Juniors have the same scale length as the other Gibson guitars, you may be thinking of the "Express" model they are bundling Rocksmith with.
    Yeah, I meant the Express model, my bad.

    I laways interchange the two for some reason...
  • raynebcraynebc Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    Mega-Tallica;4336193 said:
    Just browsing around the net, it looks like not many people consider guitars with midi pickups as "real" guitars so they are completely disregarding RB3's guitar (which is full scale unlike the Rocksmith one may be) and PowerGig's since they both have midi pickups.

    Did the PowerGig guitar really have a MIDI pickup? I haven't anything like that up to now.
  • skyttskyttskyttskytt Headliner
    edited March 2011
    raynebc;4336259 said:
    Did the PowerGig guitar really have a MIDI pickup? I haven't anything like that up to now.

    I don't think it did, but wasn't the guitar made of plastic? Also, I think it was one of the reviews of Power Gig that called them "instrument-shaped objects." Never heard anyone got sued over it though.

    Edit: Also, I may actually pick this game up if it ends up being basically an interactive tab book, if it turns out to be standard game price (maybe I'll get it at a discount whenever). I have a real guitar already, so as long as the interface isn't clunky as all hell and confusing, it could be a decent investment. HMX seems like they don't have the manpower to put out a constant flood of pro g/b DLC, so why not another ~40 songs (or however many) for $40 or cheaper?
  • monkeyfishmonkeyfish Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    skyttskytt;4336264 said:
    HMX seems like they don't have the manpower to put out a constant flood of pro g/b DLC, so why not another ~40 songs (or however many) for $40 or cheaper?

    Unless I read that article wrong or missed some info, there's only guitar charts, for one thing.
  • Lawdog1521Lawdog1521 Squirrel Chasing Expert
    edited March 2011
    It's Ubisoft. They make Sam Fisher's nightvision googles have a giant green glowing light on front of them. Realism is their forte.
  • Mega-TallicaMega-Tallica Washed Up
    edited March 2011
    raynebc;4336259 said:
    Did the PowerGig guitar really have a MIDI pickup? I haven't anything like that up to now.
    Yes it does and I think it also had a real pickup so you could play through an amp.

    Also, it's not made out of plastic, it's made out of basswood and maple, two very commonly used woods for "real" guitars. The only thing about it is it has a very small scale which makes it feel toy-ish and unauthentic.
  • kitlerckitlerc Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    Not enough shown for me to pass judgment. I wonder if they will have it as guitar only....
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