Rocksmith & Rocksmith 2014 discussion thread

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  • skyttskyttskyttskytt Headliner
    edited March 2011
    raynebc;4336259 said:
    Did the PowerGig guitar really have a MIDI pickup? I haven't anything like that up to now.

    I don't think it did, but wasn't the guitar made of plastic? Also, I think it was one of the reviews of Power Gig that called them "instrument-shaped objects." Never heard anyone got sued over it though.

    Edit: Also, I may actually pick this game up if it ends up being basically an interactive tab book, if it turns out to be standard game price (maybe I'll get it at a discount whenever). I have a real guitar already, so as long as the interface isn't clunky as all hell and confusing, it could be a decent investment. HMX seems like they don't have the manpower to put out a constant flood of pro g/b DLC, so why not another ~40 songs (or however many) for $40 or cheaper?
  • monkeyfishmonkeyfish Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    skyttskytt;4336264 said:
    HMX seems like they don't have the manpower to put out a constant flood of pro g/b DLC, so why not another ~40 songs (or however many) for $40 or cheaper?

    Unless I read that article wrong or missed some info, there's only guitar charts, for one thing.
  • Lawdog1521Lawdog1521 Squirrel Chasing Expert
    edited March 2011
    It's Ubisoft. They make Sam Fisher's nightvision googles have a giant green glowing light on front of them. Realism is their forte.
  • Mega-TallicaMega-Tallica Washed Up
    edited March 2011
    raynebc;4336259 said:
    Did the PowerGig guitar really have a MIDI pickup? I haven't anything like that up to now.
    Yes it does and I think it also had a real pickup so you could play through an amp.

    Also, it's not made out of plastic, it's made out of basswood and maple, two very commonly used woods for "real" guitars. The only thing about it is it has a very small scale which makes it feel toy-ish and unauthentic.
  • kitlerckitlerc Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    Not enough shown for me to pass judgment. I wonder if they will have it as guitar only....
  • skyttskyttskyttskytt Headliner
    edited March 2011
    monkeyfish;4336273 said:
    Unless I read that article wrong or missed some info, there's only guitar charts, for one thing.

    In all honesty, I usually only play bass when I play with friends and we switch off. Still, HMX is capped at what they can put out it seems, either in terms of manpower or what's profitable, if this game is "good enough," then it's a source of extra charts. Duplicates will definitely hurt my decision.
  • skyttskyttskyttskytt Headliner
    edited March 2011
    Mega-Tallica;4336287 said:
    Yes it does and I think it also had a real pickup so you could play through an amp.

    Also, it's not made out of plastic, it's made out of basswood and maple, two very commonly used woods for "real" guitars. The only thing about it is it has a very small scale which makes it feel toy-ish and unauthentic.

    Huh, the more you know. I thought someone had said it was plastic, or at least part of it was plastic. I really never cared to look into it, it definitely looked like plastic in some pictures, so I never questioned it.
  • raynebcraynebc Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    Mega-Tallica;4336287 said:
    Yes it does and I think it also had a real pickup so you could play through an amp.

    Looks like it really does, which surprises me:
    http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3115.0

    As far as duplicates, the PR for RockSmith seemed to want to make it clear that they were going for mostly or all exclusives as far as song selection went.
  • dog037dog037 This Many Days Since Last Ban:
    edited March 2011
    According to ScoreHero, these songs are confirmed from a screenshot:

    http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/198408_157767507614267_151544094903275_314849_7430655_n.jpg

    Yellow Moon Band - "Chimney"
    Interpol - "Slow Hands"
    Best Coast - "When I'm With You"
    The Animals - "House Of The Rising Sun"
    Nirvana - "In Bloom"
  • TheGreatDaveTheGreatDave Unsigned
    edited March 2011
    Rocksmith is an evolution of Guitar Rising, a game which was announced at least as far back as 2008, and supported any guitar. It's safe to say after seeing that those videos back in the day Harmonix were inspired to create pro guitar mode for RB3 in order to stay competitive.

    When you think about it, Harmonix kinda stole the idea. Not sure how to feel about this tbh.
  • princessjessa13princessjessa13 Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    dog037;4336317 said:
    According to ScoreHero, these songs are confirmed from a screenshot:

    Yellow Moon Band - "Chimney"
    Interpol - "Slow Hands"
    Best Coast - "When I'm With You"
    The Animals - "House Of The Rising Sun"
    Nirvana - "In Bloom"

    WHAT? NO! NO NO NO NO!

    After "Misery Business", "House of the Rising Sun" became my most desired RB track. ESPECIALLY AS WE HAVE A F*CKING KEYBOARD NOW!!!

    Ugh, this better not be an exclusive track...
  • ElitroElitro Opening Act
    edited March 2011
    No excuse to hate on this announcement.

    First of all, if it succeeds its either because it's very good or because of it's marketing.

    I think HMX could use this to their benefit, if it works they can try to get their word out that RB3 also has pro guitar, if people are more aware that these tools exist they will notice more of them.

    This also seems to bring some cool concepts like the amp mode and such, if it's successful HMX can apply it to a possible future product with a guaranteed chance of acceptance.

    Also people seem to bash it not having no on-line co-op but the truth is that RB online isn't that great, and if the product wants to teach you guitar the point is getting outside and show it to your friends so i understand why it might skip it.

    So far the major feature seems to be the all guitar input. But that still remains to be seen... it's a huuuge promise thou!

    Honestly i was expecting GH to follow this instead, my plan was to buy RB and GH later since both of them have very different music selections and i like GH more... also do notice this game is aimed solely at guitar, while RB sacrificed much to get the piano in there. Which is noticeable not only in the disc songs but also in the dlc... which has been very lackluster to me (personal oppinion not general...).

    This also marks the possible revival (or final strike) of the music genre, after all this doom and gloom is nice to see some companies still believe this has something left!

    At this point i'm still waiting on my squier, but i won't cancel it. RB has too much of a lead regarding song selection and a system which works 100% and i can trust. But if Rocksmith turns any good ill get both :).

    People on the fence might wait it out to see if it's worth it, but if you don't have a squier by now (unless you are still waiting like me) you either won't get it or are waiting on a price drop so i don't feel this will have any meaningful impact in future sales.

    Guess we'll know more at E3.
  • jeccanekojeccaneko Headliner
    edited March 2011
    Interesting. If this turns out any good, it *may* be worth checking out once it goes cheap. I could always use my Squier with it, after all.

    I don't have much faith in Ubisoft to make the game good though.
  • Lawdog1521Lawdog1521 Squirrel Chasing Expert
    edited March 2011
    There's plenty of reason to hate on it. With the exception of HMX and Activision (RB and GH) all the companies who have tried to get in on this market have made crappy, inferior products. At this point in the game, stop boasting (which is all this announcment does) and put up or shut up.
  • dog037dog037 This Many Days Since Last Ban:
    edited March 2011
    I will hate it if it turns out to have exclusive tracks, especially if it fails like Power Gig. It's annoying when dead franchises have exclusive songs or artists.
  • MagnetMagnet Moderator
    edited March 2011
    princessjessa13;4336329 said:
    After "Misery Business", "House of the Rising Sun" became my most desired RB track. ESPECIALLY AS WE HAVE A F*CKING KEYBOARD NOW!!!

    Ugh, this better not be an exclusive track...

    I doubt that the original version would even be usable in Rock Band anyway, exclusive or not. From what I've heard about the song's recording, it was done in one mono take with no overdubs.

    Chances that a song from 1964 has usable masters for Rock Band are pretty slim unless you're the Beatles. And even then, there was painstaking additional work needed to further separate the tracks.
  • mec_osmec_os Opening Act
    edited March 2011
    i second the exclusive tracks would be a reason to hate. that would be such a waste for both the user and the artist specially since there is no other instruments.

    i'm guessing if it's successful we'll see BassSmisth, DrumSmith, KeyboardSmith and MicrophoneSmith... possibilities are endless with Ubisoft.
  • Pitch-BlackPitch-Black Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    TheGreatDave;4336318 said:
    Rocksmith is an evolution of Guitar Rising, a game which was announced at least as far back as 2008, and supported any guitar. It's safe to say after seeing that those videos back in the day Harmonix were inspired to create pro guitar mode for RB3 in order to stay competitive.

    When you think about it, Harmonix kinda stole the idea. Not sure how to feel about this tbh.

    First of all, you may just be making an assumption. 2nd I'm sure HMX had at least a glimmer of an idea what GH was doing and RB has no crazy band members morphing into monsters (or whatever the hell they did). 3rd what about pro drums, keyboard and harmonies? 4th The move to RB with real instruments was farely logical unless they wanted to rehash the same game over and over (that job was handled by activision). 5th The only inspiration necessary was a desire to improve the game. Lastly, does it matter? It's not who comes up with the idea, it's who makes it work and does it best that matters.
  • thestickmasterthestickmaster Rising Star
    edited March 2011
    Who ever wrote the article about this being the first real guitar game needs to do research before writing next time. *coughrockbandandpowergigcough*

    ...but, the thing holding me back from buying a pro guitar is that I'd rather use my own guitar instead of buying another one. Too bad I have a Wii so I won't be getting this game at all.
  • theluigi1022theluigi1022 Unsigned
    edited March 2011
    i love how ubisoft must think that not making the game on the wii will make more money for them. not that i would even touch this. plus, it just seems to good to be true that you can plug in "ANY" guitar. not all guitars are the same. or mabye ubisoft can use magic? lol
  • mec_osmec_os Opening Act
    edited March 2011
    thestickmaster;4336421 said:
    Who ever wrote the article about this being the first real guitar game needs to do research before writing next time. *coughrockbandandpowergigcough*

    i'm sure they did their research since their wording was very specific. they said "Rocksmith is the first and only game where players can plug ANY guitar with a standard quarter-inch input jack"
  • karaokefreakkaraokefreak Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    I don't see this as a bad thing for rock band. Actually ths is an evolvment that Rock band 3 kinda started.
    I find this game interesting and will have an eye on it. Nice about it is: It will definetely work with the squier! This means more "pro" stuff and another advance on the pro guitar. I can see myself playing both games. After all, I have about 1000 RB DLC that bind me here ;)

    But this also means that HMX has to keep pushing pro guitar, meaning advertising the squier, getting DLC for Pro Guitar on the road and so on. Competition in the pro segment is a good thing, its proof that it works.
  • ThisnameislameThisnameislame Rising Star
    edited March 2011
    I'll wait until the game is out (or at least until more info is available) before I judge it. However, I totally agree that the lack of awareness of RB3's pro guitar that's being revealed by all the RockSmith hype is very disheartening. I know HMX's marketing budget must be tight but they really have to find a way to make the existence of pro guitar, and particularly the Squier, at least somewhat common knowledge among gamers and aspiring musicians.
  • yoshifreakyoshifreak Opening Act
    edited March 2011
    Rocksmith looks like the kind of game that'd be geared towards people who already have some degree of guitar aptitude as it doesn't seem like their game will be able to track finger placement in real time the same way that RB3 does.
    Still, it'd be interesting to see the kind of tech they use to allow you to play the game with any electric guitar.
  • DMBilliesDMBillies Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    cherokeesam;4335728 said:
    Oh, and LOL at Interpol as Ubi's "weapon of choice" for the promo videos --- yay, I can strum a single string a billion times ad nauseam! Look at me, ma, I'm a frickin' GUITARIST
    I'd say 5-button guitars prepare you pretty well to play Interpol...hold down one fret play it 300 times, switch to another fret playing it 200 times, switch back. Possibly the worst demo video ever, especially if they were trying to demonstrate how the difficulty adjusts (and it seems they were with the 100% complete business).
    TheGreatDave;4336318 said:
    When you think about it, Harmonix kinda stole the idea. Not sure how to feel about this tbh.
    See, on the other hand, I would say HMX had the obvious idea of including a real guitar (along with other real instruments) and took the idea a step farther by creating a real guitar with the technology to sense your hand position and used MIDI to interface so that the tech works flawlessly as part of a game (e.g., you can keep your eye on the screen if your hand position is off and fix it without having to look back and forth between the guitar and screen, it sense the actual frets so your hand position has to be correct, and senses all of this fast enough to display in almost real-time).

    I'd say Rocksmith is the obvious thing... make a teaching tool of scrolling tabs that doesn't require special equipment and use what will probably be a super loosey goosey scoring system that they hope is just motivating enough that people won't complain about it until they've sold a bunch of copies.


    Look, the game could be fun. Who knows. It hardly matters though. The game will sell because it will be open for all of those people who bought guitars that collect dust and who think a "fun game" might re-inspire them to learn. But there is no doubt in my mind that it won't be 1/4 of the fun that RB3's system is and it won't have nearly the replay value (45 songs and I highly doubt regular DLC, not to mention bass charts or any of the other instruments/vocals).

    The uphill battle HMX was always going to have to climb was selling very expensive peripherals to get into pro guitar. What does suck though, is that so many people out there just have absolutely no idea that HMX has pro modes and that includes a pretty decent guitar with some pretty awesome tech. Just makes me wonder if the problem with sales is less about people knowing about RB3 and not caring or if it is more about people just really not knowing.
  • jayou521jayou521 Washed Up
    edited March 2011
    dog037;4335530 said:
    Looks like Slow Hands by Interpol and When I'm With You by Best Coast are in the game.
    GRRRRRR~!!! That's a second game that gets more Interpol before we do (both "Slow Hands")~ and "When I'm With You" is damn awesome.. so unfair~ Does seem interesting, I'll say that much
  • toymachineSHtoymachineSH Headliner
    edited March 2011
    mec_os;4336443 said:
    i'm sure they did their research since their wording was very specific. they said "Rocksmith is the first and only game where players can plug ANY guitar with a standard quarter-inch input jack"

    I'm glad someone pointed this out- some game journalism sites are ****ing scum
    The game will feature tracks from The Rolling Stones, David Bowie, Interpol and Nirvana among others. Ubisoft is demoing the game this weekend at the South by Southwest festival. It will be playable at La Zona Rosa in Austin, Texas on Thursday, March 17 to Saturday, March 19 from 1-4 p.m.
    http://is.gd/8TLBmf

    Should be hearing impressions soon then.
  • lvmathemagicianlvmathemagician Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    I hope Rocksmith succeeds. The thought of having a game that works with any guitar makes me drool. I look forward to hearing more about this and hope Ubisoft isn't over promising.
  • dansolodansolo Rising Star
    edited March 2011
    The part of the story I like the best is when you get to see people actually playing the game, not just some douchebags talking about it, it is coming out in a few months after all. The concept of this game would be similar to Guitar Hero if Rock Band came first with all instruments and then Guitar Hero came out later with only guitar play. Wait and see, maybe guitarists will like it and Ubisoft will spend tons of money promoting which can only help pro mode for Rock Band 3. At least it doesn't have air drums, 100% of the time that makes my laugh every time.
  • tnevakertnevaker Road Warrior
    edited March 2011
    mec_os;4336405 said:
    i second the exclusive tracks would be a reason to hate. that would be such a waste for both the user and the artist specially since there is no other instruments.

    i'm guessing if it's successful we'll see BassSmisth, DrumSmith, KeyboardSmith and MicrophoneSmith... possibilities are endless with Ubisoft.

    don't forget FluteSmith, SaxSmith, TambourineSmith, and CowbellSmith. the possibilities are endless!

    and when they get around to some artist-exclusive titles, we could be in for a real treat. i can't wait to learn some tasty Johnny Marr riffs when i get my copy of SmithsSmith.
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