Why don't YOU buy tracks from the Rock Band Network?

ThatAuthoringGroupThatAuthoringGroup Numero Uno Super **** Fanboy #1
edited October 2011 in Rock Band
I was browsing another thread and noticed a lot of people brought up the fact that they don't buy tracks from the Rock Band Network.

Why is that?

For the guys that say they never or rarely buy anything from the Rock Band Network, why?

I'm not talking about if it's not available in your country or console. I mean if you have full access to the RBN, why don't you buy songs?

I'm just curious as to the reasoning.

Is it unfamiliarity with the artists? Is it you think that all the RBN is demo bands, and screamy Metulz?

As part of an authoring group, and more importantly a fan of the game and all forms of music, I want to know if there's something other than availability that is driving your decision to not purchase RBN tracks. Because known or not, there is a LOT of massively awesome music on RBN.

If sales go down too much artists and labels might decide it's no longer worth their time to put music into RBN, and that would suck for all of us.

So let's hear it. Let us know (authoring groups as a whole) what we can do to help change your perception and drive more people to browse the RBN and pick up tracks.

***HMX EDIT 9/12***
HMXLachesis;4496105 said:
I think this is a pretty interesting question.

However, most people who frequent the Rock Band Network forum are already buying music from the Rock Band Network.

As a result, I'm moving this thread from the RBN forum into the general Rock Band forum.

Comments

  • SheSaidSheSaidSheSaidSheSaid Washed Up
    edited September 2011
    I don't not buy, but the reason I'm sometimes a little gunshy is mainly difficulty. I've often found that whatever RBN songs are tiered at, you should add two tiers to it and that'll reflect the true difficulty. So I am extremely leery of purchasing any RBN song that's tiered at 5 dots or devil tiers on my preferred instruments. I've had this experience with several of the Amberian Dawn songs - most of them are so absurdly difficult I still haven't played through them in full (yet only one is devil tier). Yeah, I could play on Hard, and I will if someone picks them online, but that's just not as fun to me.

    Mainly what I do is look for indie/rock/alternative songs (tend to steer clear of metal, generally speaking) and if they're 3-4 dots or lower, I preview on 'em on YouTube. If I can stand to listen to them, buy! Yesterday I bought the two songs from TesseracT. "Deception Part Two Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla" is much harder than the tiering would suggest, but "Eden" is FREAKING AWESOME and one of my new faves. They're the same tier, so....yeeeeeah. I almost bought the newest Amberian Dawn song brought over as well, "Dreamchaser," but when I pulled it up here and saw that it is devil tier on every instrument, I said "no thanks."

    The only stuff I buy without a lengthy perusal is stuff from big-name bands (Seether, Evanescence, Creed, Drowning Pool), and there's not very much of that on RBN. It's just easier to buy official DLC, which is almost never stuff I haven't even heard of.
  • AkuryuAkuryu Rising Star
    edited September 2011
    1) Nobody else buys them. I prefer to play rock BAND in a BAND, and I know that with the vast majority of RBN songs I'll just end up playing alone because none of my other friends are buying them. I'll get far more play for my buck with regular DLC.

    2) RAWWWWRRRRRRRRRR. I'M ANGRY YEAWWWW. (inaudible) BY MYSELFFFFFF! GROWLLL. MY MOM JUST BOUGHT ME A DOUBLE BASS PEDALLLLL AND NOW I'M GONNA USE ITTT! DESPAIRRRR! I'll be the one to say it: garbage screamo/growly metal has become the dominate genre. For every one interesting indie rock or alternative tune, there are like 10 of these. Apparently they sell well, as you keep churning them out, but I have no interest.

    3) 3000 song limit. I buy all the regular DLC and plan to continue that. Heavily investing in RBN will only ensure I reach this cap sooner and I'll have to start deleting songs (likely the very RBN songs that got me there).
  • JerkinatorJerkinator Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    I purchase some songs from RBN, but they're almost always the ones sold at 80 msp. I like to play with groups of people and when they search through my library 99.9% if the time non-RBN tracks get picked because nobody knows the RBN tunes. Not to say they're bad, but there are a LOT of relative unkowns charging $2 per song. That's their call, but usually I won't pick up a random $2 metal band when there are still like 8 songs from the Iron Maiden pack that I don't own which cost the same price.
  • FlyGuyLXIFlyGuyLXI Headl!ner
    edited September 2011
    I've used to buy plenty of RBN content, but the quality has significantly been reduced this past year ever since those post-hardcore labels jumped on board imo. The newly found support of chiptune and internet memes is not helping either.

    Another reason is that, it's that I don't mind supporting unknowns if a song is good enough to warrant a purchase, but it would be more enjoyable to play songs I already know and there's actually a severe lack of that. I've listened to 150+ albums released from this year and the only artist that came through RBN to support their new album from those numbers was Seether, and Seether didn't rank high on my list that I would want to purchase "Country House".
  • GNFfhqwhgadsGNFfhqwhgads 99% Washed Up
    edited September 2011
    Akuryu;4494944 said:
    1) Nobody else buys them. I prefer to play rock BAND in a BAND, and I know that with the vast majority of RBN songs I'll just end up playing alone because none of my other friends are buying them. I'll get far more play for my buck with regular DLC.
    That's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Here's a tip. Recommend the good RBN songs you buy to your friends.
  • ThatAuthoringGroupThatAuthoringGroup Numero Uno Super **** Fanboy #1
    edited September 2011
    So would it make it easier if the authors got together and put together a Youtube video thread?

    Make it a one stop place where you can go in and just click the links to the songs and have a full blown video preview?

    I just think there are a lot of fantastic and awesome tracks from every authoring group that are getting severely overlooked because of the mentality that RBN is nothing but extreme metal and garage bands, etc.

    I'm looking for any and all ways to increase the sales and visibility for all the authoring groups and the bands they are working with.

    Every week it seems I'm noticing yet another authoring group that has just stopped bringing material into RBN.

    I'd say we're probably down to ten or less groups that are left, and that is extremely worrisome to me.

    So I want to help keep the visibility and profitability of the groups that are left in any way I can.

    Which is why I started this thread in the first place :)
  • MegaIronDragonDethMegaIronDragonDeth Post Ratio > 3 a Day
    edited September 2011
    I've actually really enjoyed RBN's out put. I don't usually buy a whole lot from RBN because I don't really like metalcore/post-hardcore. I normally buy just mainly metal (no metalcore) and chiptune music from RBN though. I don't check out other genre bands on RBN unless they're devil tiered on guitar. But I do usually check out all the metal released on RBN, unless I know the band's metalcore.
    ThatAuthoringGroup;4494960 said:
    So would it make it easier if the authors got together and put together a Youtube video thread?

    Make it a one stop place where you can go in and just click the links to the songs and have a full blown video preview?
    I think this could be a good idea. :) If this happened then maybe I might check out more artists on RBN that aren't metal. I also forgot to say I also like some of the prog released on RBN like the Andromeda songs.
  • LiveHomeVideoLiveHomeVideo Trying too hard
    edited September 2011
    ThatAuthoringGroup;4494960 said:

    Every week it seems I'm noticing yet another authoring group that has just stopped bringing material into RBN.

    I'd say we're probably down to ten or less groups that are left, and that is extremely worrisome to me.

    AH! Wow, that's shocking. I haven't noticed this, and I hope I get to stick around and release all the songs I've announced, more I'm working on, and more in the future.
  • ThatAuthoringGroupThatAuthoringGroup Numero Uno Super **** Fanboy #1
    edited September 2011
    Akuryu;4494944 said:
    1) Nobody else buys them. I prefer to play rock BAND in a BAND, and I know that with the vast majority of RBN songs I'll just end up playing alone because none of my other friends are buying them. I'll get far more play for my buck with regular DLC.

    2) RAWWWWRRRRRRRRRR. I'M ANGRY YEAWWWW. (inaudible) BY MYSELFFFFFF! GROWLLL. MY MOM JUST BOUGHT ME A DOUBLE BASS PEDALLLLL AND NOW I'M GONNA USE ITTT! DESPAIRRRR! I'll be the one to say it: garbage screamo/growly metal has become the dominate genre. For every one interesting indie rock or alternative tune, there are like 10 of these. Apparently they sell well, as you keep churning them out, but I have no interest.

    3) 3000 song limit. I buy all the regular DLC and plan to continue that. Heavily investing in RBN will only ensure I reach this cap sooner and I'll have to start deleting songs (likely the very RBN songs that got me there).

    To respond to your second point. (and I can't speak for other authoring groups, just my own personal experience). Earlier this year I noticed there was a really vocal backlash about metal overtaking the RBN as the dominant genre. So I thought I'd do something about it. I sent out feelers to bands, and labels of all sizes and genres. From known acts, to youtube and myspace bands that haven't been signed, large labels, and labels with bands no one had ever heard of. The only criteria was that they were not metal. So country, jazz, indie, pop rock, blues, arena rock, urban, techno, you name it. I approached them about bringing material into the rock band network.

    I told them that if they don't want to use our authoring group, then there are plenty of others that might be a better fit, or if they didn't have the budget that the process wasn't as difficult as it seems to learn and they should see if one of their band members or label staff might be interested in charting the stuff on their own.

    I'd wager that I contacted (if you throw in the labels with multiple bands), well over 400 non metal acts in the span of three weeks.

    Do you want to know how many responded out of that 400?

    1. One. Uno.

    So it's not that we're ONLY going after metal acts. It's that the metal acts are the only one that even seem interested in working with authoring groups to bring tracks into the game via RBN.

    So don't think we (the authoring community as a whole) are only going after the metulz screamz bands. Because that's not the case. It's just that they are the only ones that ever show any interest (outside of the few rare exceptions).
  • ThatAuthoringGroupThatAuthoringGroup Numero Uno Super **** Fanboy #1
    edited September 2011
    LiveHomeVideo;4494967 said:
    AH! Wow, that's shocking. I haven't noticed this, and I hope I get to stick around and release all the songs I've announced, more I'm working on, and more in the future.

    Yeah if you go back and look at the RBN forums from even a few months ago, you'll notice three or four groups that are no longer active.

    There's a list here on the forums of active RBN authoring groups from when RBN first started. If you look at that list compared to now, there's a fraction of groups from that original list still active.
  • The FriskThe Frisk Opening Act
    edited September 2011
    I know I don't fit quite into the category defined in the OP, but of the songs I've been interested in buying but haven't, is due to the lack of preview videos.

    For example, I'm curious about the RB3 version of Asking Alexandria's The Final Episode, mainly for the keys, but the demo/trial doesn't get to the keys part and there aren't any videos online. Makes me wonder if the keys part would be fun or not, and I'd rather not risk $2 and end up grabbing something that I feel isn't fun. Plus, after getting Morte et Dabo which had a 3 star rating (with only a couple of short parts on keys, should've been much lower rating than 3), I'm skeptical that the other AA songs with keys are up to the higher ratings they have.

    There's been a few tracks that were like that, but that one is the first to come to mind.
  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    The Frisk;4495025 said:
    For example, I'm curious about the RB3 version of Asking Alexandria's The Final Episode, mainly for the keys, but the demo/trial doesn't get to the keys part and there aren't any videos online.

    You're kidding, right?
  • SirDavidTLynchSirDavidTLynch Headliner
    edited September 2011
    ThatAuthoringGroup;4494885 said:
    Is it unfamiliarity with the artists?
    That's pretty much it for me, combined with the fact that I spend way too much money on this stuff as it is. The disproportionate amount of crappy metal doesn't help (though as I understand it, that's more the other artists'/labels' fault). That said, I don't generalize and I always take a quick look at the release and the past few weeks have pretty good for me.

    (for what it's worth I have something like 45 RBN songs)
  • DragoonXDDragoonXD Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    Santa Claustrophobia;4495045 said:
    Also here.

    Can't find a video for "A Prophecy" yet.
  • edited September 2011
    The Frisk;4495025 said:
    I know I don't fit quite into the category defined in the OP, but of the songs I've been interested in buying but haven't, is due to the lack of preview videos.

    For example, I'm curious about the RB3 version of Asking Alexandria's The Final Episode, mainly for the keys, but the demo/trial doesn't get to the keys part and there aren't any videos online. Makes me wonder if the keys part would be fun or not, and I'd rather not risk $2 and end up grabbing something that I feel isn't fun. Plus, after getting Morte et Dabo which had a 3 star rating (with only a couple of short parts on keys, should've been much lower rating than 3), I'm skeptical that the other AA songs with keys are up to the higher ratings they have.

    There's been a few tracks that were like that, but that one is the first to come to mind.
    I'm not sure what you're typing into YouTube to find videos but i recently discovered that if you put in it works better then

    More videos would be great though. I try to look up every 80 point song that comes out to see what its like and sometimes its really hard to find any vid. Just last week i had 80 points left over and tried to look up that English Rock Anthems song to see what the keys were like and all i could find was some guy FCing the drum chart. Well i ended up not getting it and now (thanks to Xbox Rewards) that 80 points is now 160 so i'm using it on next week Weezer DLC.

    And about the keys on that Asking Alexandria song: the keys on that song suck. My brother insisted on getting one of their songs so i told him to get one with keys and i would play it with him and he got that one. After sitting there for what felt like 5 minutes of some guy screaming "Oh my God" there is like 10 notes at the very end.
  • The FriskThe Frisk Opening Act
    edited September 2011
    DragoonXD;4495056 said:
    Also here.

    Can't find a video for "A Prophecy" yet.

    Wasn't aware they hosted videos on their site, as I've always just checked youtube.
    Thanks for the heads up, I'll remember this for future RA songs.
    MagicMurderBag7;4495063 said:
    I'm not sure what you're typing into YouTube to find videos but i recently discovered that if you put in it works better then


    And about the keys on that Asking Alexandria song: the keys on that song suck. My brother insisted on getting one of their songs so i told him to get one with keys and i would play it with him and he got that one. After sitting there for what felt like 5 minutes of some guy screaming "Oh my God" there is like 10 notes at the very end.

    Yeah, I was just typing in Asking Alexandria Final Episode Rock Band 3, and all I've gotten were the non RB3 version just played in rb3. In the past,that's always pulled up the video's I've been looking for, with very few exceptions. Looks like I need to be more specific in the future.

    And yeah, looking at the chart, it doesn't seem to be worth it for the almost four minutes of waiting. Rather disappointing. I'm curious to see if the keys for A Prophecy is just as disappointing as Morte et Dabo and The Final Episode's.
    /offtopic
  • samjjonessamjjones Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    I've spent probably 2 grand on this platform, but I am still a casual music fan.

    I buy stuff from bands that I have heard of and have produced popular music. I realize that's not "cool", but give me the hits from the big names, and I will buy them.

    I've bought stuff from RBN, but its more "well-known" artists like Third Eye Blind, Creed, Finger Eleven, and Stan Bush.
  • SheSaidSheSaidSheSaidSheSaid Washed Up
    edited September 2011
    DragoonXD;4495056 said:

    I'd say that video sums it up pretty good. Rightly or wrongly, I tend to assume all RBN songs are utter crap like this until I can conclusively prove otherwise.

    That's also a pretty money-grabby "RB3 Version." Backup vocals are almost exclusively talkies, and there's like 30 seconds of keys. There would be a major crapstorm if that were official DLC.
  • BohemianMattBohemianMatt Headliner
    edited September 2011
    My short answer: HMX releases awesome DLC.


    I've always thought so. Thus I don't have the time/money to look up the videos of RBN songs, but if something mainstream pops up (Flogging Molly, Anti-Flag, Bouncing Souls, Third Eye Blind, etc), I'll definitely buy.

    Also, I could go off on a generalization and say I hate TEH METALZ and chiptune/novelty songs.
  • SheSaidSheSaidSheSaidSheSaid Washed Up
    edited September 2011
    I'd say it's still probably not too well-known, either. I remember playing RB2 and one of the loading screens said something like "If you have a favorite band you'd love to see in the game, tell them to release their songs on the Rock Band Network!" I had no clue what that was and just assumed it meant regular old, official DLC, and therefore had no clue why I would have any part in that. It's a little harder to be completely oblivious of it these days, considering both the in-game music store and the PlayStation Store (I imagine the same is true for Xbox) force you to come across the Network when DLC shopping, but I'm sure there's lots of DLC customers who see RBN or RBN2.0 and say "what the heck is that?" and then just go buy something they know from the ranks of official DLC.
  • edited September 2011
    SheSaidSheSaid;4495089 said:
    That's also a pretty money-grabby "RB3 Version." Backup vocals are almost exclusively talkies, and there's like 30 seconds of keys. There would be a major crapstorm if that were official DLC.
    Not sure if it is a problem with that song but some RB3 versions are just to give them proper pro-drums
  • TubaDude49TubaDude49 Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    SheSaidSheSaid;4495089 said:
    I'd say that video sums it up pretty good. Rightly or wrongly, I tend to assume all RBN songs are utter crap like this until I can conclusively prove otherwise.

    That's also a pretty money-grabby "RB3 Version." Backup vocals are almost exclusively talkies, and there's like 30 seconds of keys. There would be a major crapstorm if that were official DLC.

    It's better than this...


    And there was barely any rage over that.
  • edited September 2011
    TubaDude49;4495104 said:
    It's better than this...


    And there was barely any rage over that.
    Yeah that kind of pissed me off.
    There are no keys in that song (or bass or drums for that matter) and the Harmonies aren't very great. They would have been better off getting a different Queen song all together but i think they wanted it to have pro-guitar and the only way they can give an on disc song pro-guitar is to re-release it as a new version.
  • TubaDude49TubaDude49 Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    MagicMurderBag7;4495107 said:
    Yeah that kind of pissed me off.
    There are no keys in that song (or bass or drums for that matter) and the Harmonies aren't very great. They would have been better off getting a different Queen song all together but i think they wanted it to have pro-guitar and the only way they can give an on disc song pro-guitar is to re-release it as a new version.
    But "We Will Rock You" and "We Are The Champions" didn't have a Pro Guitar upgrade...
  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    MagicMurderBag7;4495063 said:
    I'm not sure what you're typing into YouTube to find videos but i recently discovered that if you put in it works better then

    It has been my experience that using three letter search terms don't help refine searches very much. This very forum will reject 'Wii' 'PS3' '360' 'RBx' and so on. So I used 'rock band network'. Some returns aren't very helpful, but it rarely doesn't work.

    The reality is that people who perform searches rarely alter the parameters and search again.
  • SheSaidSheSaidSheSaidSheSaid Washed Up
    edited September 2011
    TubaDude49;4495104 said:
    It's better than this...


    And there was barely any rage over that.

    Maybe, but there's two key differences. That song was never previously available at all via DLC, and the RB3 Version was needed anyway for the Pro Guitar upgrade.
  • Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    MagicMurderBag7;4495097 said:
    Not sure if it is a problem with that song but some RB3 versions are just to give them proper pro-drums

    Also, some people may not realise that adding RB3 features won't automatically make a song 'better' in the long run. When it was announced that RBN2.0 would support most RB3 features, people quickly started wondering about re-released songs. When a band or authoring group tries to accommodate this and they're called greedy? Well, I can't imagine why the herd thins out so much...
  • TubaDude49TubaDude49 Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    SheSaidSheSaid;4495110 said:
    Maybe, but there's two key differences. That song was never previously available at all via DLC, and the RB3 Version was needed anyway for the Pro Guitar upgrade.

    What Upgrade?
    Queen Extravaganza Pack 01

    "Hammer to Fall"X
    "Keep Yourself Alive"X
    "Now I'm Here"X
    "Tenement Funster"X
    "We Are the Champions" (RB3 Version)
    "We Will Rock You" (RB3 Version)

    Queen RB3 Enhanced Pack

    "I Want It All" (RB3 Version)X
    "I Want To Break Free" (RB3 Version)X
    "Killer Queen" (RB3 Version)X
    "One Vision" (RB3 Version)X
    "Somebody To Love" (RB3 Version)X
    "Under Pressure" (RB3 Version)X
    http://www.rockband.com/blog/queen-rb3-packs#pro
  • edited September 2011
    TubaDude49;4495113 said:

    It wasn't in the announcement but it is on the marketplace
  • LunaticSoulLunaticSoul Rising Star
    edited September 2011
    TubaDude49;4495113 said:

    They have upgrades, they aren't listed, though.

    IMHO there is still a lot of people who ignores what RBN is all about. I.E. all those users that come here and spam absolutely random and off topic threads. They come here because they don't know what is actually being talked here. :p
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