Why don't YOU buy tracks from the Rock Band Network?

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  • BachiGBachiG Inconceivable...
    edited September 2011
    Catch-22;4495263 said:
    Already did, after your first post.

    Cool. Good luck with it. First sale (if/when it makes it to PS3), right here.
  • cwilburcwilbur Opening Act
    edited September 2011
    ThatAuthoringGroup;4494960 said:
    So would it make it easier if the authors got together and put together a Youtube video thread?

    Make it a one stop place where you can go in and just click the links to the songs and have a full blown video preview?

    You potentially already have that place:
    http://dlcquickplay.com/dlc.php?sub=2&pro=

    This is the first place I look for gameplay videos, and whenever I have to hunt up videos through google searches I try to go here and link any applicable videos I find to the right song page, but I don't search for every song and I don't find every song I search for. If the authors wanted to push their videos to a central spot, this is the spot I'd recommend. With a url and about 30 seconds anyone can attach their video of a released song to dlcqp's entry. Get the word out that that's your one stop shop for previews, plus your best bet for finding other players who own those songs, and you can lower a couple of entry barriers mentioned in this thread.

    Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with dlcqp in any way other than as a user and raving fan.
  • FlyGuyLXIFlyGuyLXI Headl!ner
    edited September 2011
    I find it amazing even with this load of "metal" in RBN that we still don't have a single doom metal song in Rock Band yet.
  • DragoonXDDragoonXD Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    FlyGuyLXI;4495272 said:
    I find it amazing even with this load of "metal" in RBN that we still don't have a single doom metal song in Rock Band yet.
    Quite a shame.
  • Hippie403Hippie403 Opening Act
    edited September 2011
    I don't buy many tracks from RBN because:

    1. I'm on PS3 and we have limited song selection
    2. No pro guitar charts

    I have 2 x Mustangs and it's painful to play 5 button mode.
    RB3 was the first RB game I had guitar controllers for, I only had microphones for
    Beatles Rock Band, never played RB1 or RB2.

    I went back and got a couple of 5 button guitars for Beatles, but after playing pro
    modes on RB3 it just seemed tedious rather than being fun.

    To buy something from RBN it has to have a good keyboard part or be really fun
    to sing.
  • ZemanatorZemanator Rising Star
    edited September 2011
    just looked, I buy everything I enjoy from HMX AND RBN, along with pretty much every challenging song.

    i own 590 HMX songs and 660 RBN songs.... ... .. .. .. .. . .. . .

    over half of those RBN songs are not heavy screamo rawrs lulz stuff.

    also, in the last weeks there's been tons of non metal stuff added, it's evening out a bit..

    though I'm with the masses, i dislike the chiptune and novelty stuff for the most part... but, bed intruder song is the highest selling RBN song in the last like 4 or 5 months or something like that, and it's more then doubled every other song.

    the next ~20 songs on that list are all metal, most of it screamo...




    admittedly, i've started favoring the purchasing of RBN stuff over HMX stuff, cause i'd hate to see if suffer more then it has
  • DragoonXDDragoonXD Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    Zemanator;4495304 said:
    admittedly, i've started favoring the purchasing of RBN stuff over HMX stuff
    I'm in this camp, but because I like the RBN offerings more.
  • Tykki-TemeTykki-Teme Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    I look up videos of every song ported over to PS3, and almost every week I find something cool to get. Personally, I've never understood the difference between official and RBN DLC. Both sides have tracks of equal quality.

    I have skipped a few great RBN1 tracks because they didn't have pro drums, so I guess that would be a reason for me not to buy older RBN tracks.
  • kingtonyxkingtonyx Unofficial
    edited September 2011
    I get the feeling most people are musically lazy.

    Probably boils down to this.
  • PankrazzoPankrazzo Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    I've reached 500 RBN tracks last week (out of 2200 total), and I really enjoy most of them, but I used to buy a lot more than I currently do.

    My fav genres range from Indie pop to Thrash & Power Metal, I especially love female-fronted stuff like Damone & Rose of Jericho, so I'm really open-minded towards variety and new things, but there are genres I absolutely despise, too. I can't stand anything with growling, screaming etc. and I also refuse to buy any music that sounds like ****ty midi ringtones (chiptune instrumentals), because I don't want the RBN to turn into a paid GHTunes, which is incredibly lame imo.

    Everyone can scream, everyone can growl and every hillbilly can fudge together some midi crap on simple music programming tools without any real instruments, and I won't support talentless no-name stuff like that.

    Unfortunately the genres that I wouldn't even want to play if the songs were free outweigh the genres that feature real singing & instrumental talent lately, that's why my RBN purchase ratio dropped down from 2/3 to about 1/5. I'm a frequent forum reader, so I know how hard it is to sign decent bands, the shrinking of the rhythm game genre etc., but I just can't stomach to pay hundreds of euros for music I don't even want to spend time on, just to support the authoring groups.
  • OscarvariumOscarvarium Rising Star
    edited September 2011
    Pankrazzo;4495348 said:
    I also refuse to buy any music that sounds like ****ty midi ringtones (chiptune instrumentals)
    I do hope you're not including Anamanaguchi in that. D:
  • ThatAuthoringGroupThatAuthoringGroup Numero Uno Super **** Fanboy #1
    edited September 2011
    Pankrazzo, we're not asking people to just buy songs they don't like just for the sake of supporting RBN or authoring groups.

    We're trying to find ways to reach out to the people that say the never buy or bother with RBN. Find the reasoning behind that, and find out what we can do to help as there are a lot of really great tracks in RBN (and yes there are some questionable ones as well).

    I myself have bought a massive amount of RBN tracks, but I'd wager there's a good four hundred plus that I don't own. I've got a pretty open mind when it comes to music so I tend to dig into the new releases and see if there's anything that floats my boat. Plus being a tester I have the added benefit of listening to tracks multiple times during the testing phase which helps a song to grow on you.

    I'm looking for ways to make it easier to expose people to the tracks being released as I know a lot of people won't go out of their way to find something (IE youtube videos, or the bands' myspace/facebook page) if they are unfamiliar with it.

    I just feel there are a lot of tracks that are just as good (and in some cases better) than official HMX dlc (I'm referring to the music itself, not the authoring, etc), and it's just getting overlooked because it's not a known band or song.

    So again we're not suggesting or begging people to start buying every track released just for the sake of RBN, or authoring groups. We're trying to find ways to help expand the consumer base, and try and educate the masses that there are some real quality tracks in the RBN offerings.
  • PankrazzoPankrazzo Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    Oscarvarium;4495350 said:
    I do hope you're not including Anamanaguchi in that. D:

    Nope, I've bought that one and it's awesome, but it's also really professionally produced and they play real instruments in contrast to many other "bands".
  • PankrazzoPankrazzo Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    ThatAuthoringGroup;4495351 said:
    I'm looking for ways to make it easier to expose people to the tracks being released...
    The authoring groups and Harmonix are already doing a great job with promoting tracks on youtube & facebook, but the real problem here is RB3's limited customer base itself (surprise!) combined with limited advertising funds (tv ads are out of the question obviously), but it's a solvable one in my opinion.

    Everyone would love to have RB3 with 3000 thousand songs, but most people just can't afford it. In my opinion everyone involved should put the RB3's $20 price tag on every youtube vid, homepage, facebook, well just everywhere. RB3 has to get rid of the "I can't afford it" prejudice.

    "You wanna play Cynic? Damn did you hear RB3 is only $20, check out its amazing 83 songs setlist incl. real guitar tabs! It's a steal. There's even an midi adapter available to use your own real drums if you want to jam to x song!"

    Pimp RB3.
  • Obi_Wan_KenoliObi_Wan_Kenoli Rising Star
    edited September 2011
    Well personally I always enjoyed music, I mainly listened to the same type of stuff though. Things my friends, older siblings, or even parents exposed me to and I ended up liking.

    But after starting to play RB I really got exposed to all these different genres and acts I probably would have never come across any other way, and ended up enjoying them immensely. From HMX bands themselves to other bands in genres that I barely gave the time. I'm pretty open minded with what I listen to, even if I'm not exposed to it, I'll give it a shot. There's usually something with any conceivable genre label whoever cooks up the particular label to slap on that type of music that I'll enjoy; even if I don't really gravitate towards the sound that constitutes that genre on the whole. I'm more of a bring the music, not the genre type of guy.

    I don't feel a need to identify or validate my own musical tastes by dismissing another types of music just on the grounds that I don't like or listen to it. Different strokes and all that.

    That said, I really fell that RBN is a great idea. It further extended what I think HMX was doing with RB. They really seem to be promoting music as an art form through their game; probably sounds a little too grandiose but that's the vibe I get. It's an engine for players to interact with and enjoy music first and foremost. RBN gives people a chance to be further exposed to acts and sounds than they could have ever been just relying on what HMX can release and license in house.

    I've found bands that I enjoyed immensely. I have no idea if they're in or not, hip, whatever, I just know that I dig their stuff from what I can make out from a preview, I downloaded it, and haven't regretted it. But I would have never gotten a chance to really hear and play some of this stuff through regular channels. No offense to Queen, Boston, or any other legendary act, but sometimes I want to hear something new and different.

    Something not from the same 10 or so acts that are on Pack 3 or 4 by now. Something that I've haven't heard or even played in 1 or 2 GH games. Something not from some "when music was good" 70's or 80's timewarp. That stuff is still great, but it also makes me discovereing something neat by fake shark real zombie, blackmarket, sea wold or free electric state, through that channel pretty much an impossibility. That delivery method is cramped enough for the high profile acts that it seeks to deliver to RB, smaller acts just don't stand a chance. But that's why RBN is such a great thing.

    That aside, RBN doesn't do itself any favors because it's painfully slow at times and honestly the experience of looking for songs through it is becoming more and more like rummaging through a bargain bin to find that Chinese Connection DVD all the way on the bottom. It becomes a drag after a while. Not to mention organizationally if you stumble in there you're pretty much just fumbling around in the dark. But if you're up for it you can dig out some gems, especially if you're open to indie or alternative.

    Be warned there are a lot of turds there too though. Be nice to showcase some of the better selling popular stuff by genre, or if the game made recommendations more based on actual sound than by artists or genre labels, since I'm personally more likely to make a purchase based on the former rather than the latter.
  • funkalunkfunkalunk Unsigned
    edited September 2011
    Pankrazzo;4495348 said:
    Everyone can scream, everyone can growl and every hillbilly can fudge together some midi crap on simple music programming tools without any real instruments, and I won't support talentless no-name stuff like that.

    The terrible implication here is that it takes no talent to write music, only to play it. That is just ridiculous.

    How people can be so ignorant as to write off entire genres as "talentless" for no reason other than not liking them. Take Metalcore and other genres with harsh vocals, how do the band members not have talent? They often play complex passages at fast speeds. I'm not saying the music is good, but they have technical talent.

    Or take any Chiptune band. Are you saying that if they took whatever song they made, and transposed it to play on instruments the song suddenly took talent to create? Writing is an important skill that you sadly overlook, and it just makes you look silly.
  • kingtonyxkingtonyx Unofficial
    edited September 2011
    Not everyone can scream. Some people can't even learn how.
  • ThatAuthoringGroupThatAuthoringGroup Numero Uno Super **** Fanboy #1
    edited September 2011
    Yeah you can seriously rip your vocal chords to shreds if you don't know how to do it right.
  • HeadcoldCamperHeadcoldCamper Unsigned
    edited September 2011
    Speaking for myself I love the RBN stuff, I check everyday to see if new Devin Townsend songs have got added. One dissapointing aspect of RBN is the "one hit wonders" for instance only one Soilwork song. I agree sifting through some of the garbage gets tiring but often I am rewarded with hidden gems like Cynic. I just hope for more then just one song by artists that show up.
  • ricecakericecake Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    BachiG;4495241 said:
    Unfortunately, no matter whose "fault" it is that the majority of the music on RBN is of the metulz screamz catagory, the fact that it's primarily THE genre available is probably the biggest factor why there is not greater numbers of sales. As a PS3 owner (after the whole preview problem was worked out) I've bought quite a few non-metalz tracks, but there aren't a whole lot to chose from. Then the whole pro-drums cymbals/toms screw up didn't help matters much....so my initial interest from the promising idea at the beginning definetly waned.
    While I agree with the whole pro drums thing on the early songs, I did actually end up buying some of them, and just rated them differently in my library so I know when not to pick pro drums for that song.

    As far as genres on PS3 go, Metal is around 1/3 of what's available and is the largest single genre represented, but that still leaves 2/3 of the songs that are other genres.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&key=0Apm-lkjZhgQ7dGtWNHkyTWNIY1pCOXNZUmphbzh0VUE&hl=en_US&gid=70
  • SheSaidSheSaidSheSaidSheSaid Washed Up
    edited September 2011
    What's this about pro drums screwup? I don't drum, at all, ever, so it doesn't affect me, but I thought all songs had pro drums.
  • LiveHomeVideoLiveHomeVideo Trying too hard
    edited September 2011
    SheSaidSheSaid;4495478 said:
    What's this about pro drums screwup? I don't drum, at all, ever, so it doesn't affect me, but I thought all songs had pro drums.

    Up to a certain point, RBN1 songs had messed up Pro Drums charts, where all yellow, blue, and green pads were cymbals, regardless whether they were supposed to be toms or not. Then HMX, shortly after RB3's release, allowed authors to make Pro Charts accurately.
  • DragoonXDDragoonXD Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    SheSaidSheSaid;4495478 said:
    What's this about pro drums screwup? I don't drum, at all, ever, so it doesn't affect me, but I thought all songs had pro drums.
    There are quite of bit of early RBN songs without pro drums, because the authors weren't told how to chart it. I believe they were told how June or July of 2010?
  • GNFfhqwhgadsGNFfhqwhgads 99% Washed Up
    edited September 2011
    DragoonXD;4495484 said:
    There are quite of bit of early RBN songs without pro drums, because the authors weren't told how to chart it. I believe they were told how June or July of 2010?
    Something like that. Even then, it wasn't required until RBN2.0(this February?), so there were some studios that just refused to even after being told.
  • DragoonXDDragoonXD Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    Or missed the memo because it was posted in a forum thread that not everyone reads.
  • GameMaster439GameMaster439 Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    I do but only having 159 choices really hinders my options of what I want
  • BachiGBachiG Inconceivable...
    edited September 2011
    ricecake;4495441 said:
    While I agree with the whole pro drums thing on the early songs, I did actually end up buying some of them, and just rated them differently in my library so I know when not to pick pro drums for that song.

    As far as genres on PS3 go, Metal is around 1/3 of what's available and is the largest single genre represented, but that still leaves 2/3 of the songs that are other genres.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&key=0Apm-lkjZhgQ7dGtWNHkyTWNIY1pCOXNZUmphbzh0VUE&hl=en_US&gid=70

    Neat breakdown and pivot table...thanks for creating/sharing/showing.

    It'd be neat to be able to sort your table by different combinations. For instance of the 2/3 remaining genre songs, I'd also like to remove the prog, find only those with pro-drums and sort by difficulty, because I don't often by devil head/impossible/nightmare songs on pro-drums and I'm guessing I have a little less than half of what's left... It'd be good to see what I should go back and check out now that previews are available. :)
  • DackAttacDackAttac Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    ThatAuthoringGroup;4495351 said:
    Pankrazzo, we're not asking people to just buy songs they don't like just for the sake of supporting RBN or authoring groups.

    We're trying to find ways to reach out to the people that say the never buy or bother with RBN. Find the reasoning behind that, and find out what we can do to help as there are a lot of really great tracks in RBN (and yes there are some questionable ones as well).

    [...]

    So again we're not suggesting or begging people to start buying every track released just for the sake of RBN, or authoring groups. We're trying to find ways to help expand the consumer base, and try and educate the masses that there are some real quality tracks in the RBN offerings.

    Hm. I probably should reframe my answer then, since my motivation to use the RBN to discover music instead of buy the songs I already knew was kind of born out of The Golden Rule... I look hard to discover music partially because I have really good results, but also because when I get my music recorded and out there, I wish someone would work that hard to discover me, to give me a chance if my song comes up on the iTunes recommendations, if I'm opening for a band they like, etc, etc.

    So before this, back when I just used RBN for the stuff I already wanted? There were some moments when it was better than the official DLC. While with my nerd friends, we got to play the Jonathan Coulton songs that we knew by heart and made in-jokes based off the lyrics that the average joe who didn't know those songs wouldn't get. In our Rock Band library. It was like a specialization of our taste. It's one thing to all play Rock Band to "More Than a Feeling", but quite another to sing "Shop Vac". It's not like the latter's a better song or anything, but it feels more special because the song's more obscure and usually wouldn't get the all-start treatment that mainstream songs tend to share like this.

    But the problem that has been mentioned of the odds of playing it online extend to local, as well. As awesome as it was to play Sequestered in Memphis with friends who I saw the Hold Steady in concert with, they weren't quite as willing to play Half Crazy since they'd never heard of Jukebox the Ghost. As much I love that song, most of my memories of it are playing alone or watching some friend who I'm forcing to play it lose interest. But by the same token, I have friends that are going to crap their jaws out their asses when those Powerman 5000 songs you're working on make it into the Store.

    And I don't know if I could even give you advice on bettering that. Maybe instead of recommending the bands I like myself but none of my friends are into, I'd recommend you contact some bands that have been the subject of group listening/concertgoing (Frank Turner, XTra Mile/Epitaph; The Zolas, Lotus Child; Tally Hall, Quack! Media; Sonic Boom Six, Rebel Alliance; Ike Reilly, Rock Ridge). But one man's group-listening band is another man's headphones-only experience. Depends on the company you keep.
  • ThatAuthoringGroupThatAuthoringGroup Numero Uno Super **** Fanboy #1
    edited September 2011
    Dack without giving anything away on things we have in the works, your friends will be really happy with what we're currently working on ;)
  • Catch-22Catch-22 Road Warrior
    edited September 2011
    ThatAuthoringGroup;4495682 said:
    Dack without giving anything away on things we have in the works, your friends will be really happy with what we're currently working on ;)

    I would describe some of it as epic.
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