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GNFfhqwhgadsGNFfhqwhgads 99% Washed Up
edited June 2012 in Less Rokk More Talk
RockBandRocker;4762063 said:
Seriously, HMX needs to start doing some cross-licensing.
They have? Drop It Like It's Hot? Just Dance? Poker Face?
starfire1978;4762300 said:
I just wish/hope they could bypass the big 3 and make a piece of hardware themselves to make more profit for harmonix.
I don't think you understand how 'profit' works. Here's a tip, it DOESN'T work by having to create your own console and force your userbase to rebuy games, instruments, and DLC because the big three won't share.

Comments

  • atalkingfishatalkingfish Opening Act
    edited June 2012
    GNFfhqwhgads;4762437 said:
    Do you read? I feel like you should start if you're going to be on a forum.

    First off, how do you know they're not doing it at the same time?
    Secondly, how would that benefit anything?
    Thirdly, it could still be very difficult to discuss two separate contracts at the same time. I don't know, but it very well could be.
    www1221;4762439 said:
    It wouldnt make it any easier thus destroying your one "upside"

    Yeah, no kidding, it seems like he just totally changed his "arguing" point because he realized that it was formed out of ignorance on the topic. Now he's fighting to convince us that if HMX did nearly exactly the same thing they do now, everything will be better!!
  • GNFfhqwhgadsGNFfhqwhgads 99% Washed Up
    edited June 2012
    www1221;4762439 said:
    And if they come across a band that would love to have their song in dc but not rb (or vice versa) what then? oh a whole new contract!
    Then they'd say, "Ok, we'll just do that," since I never said there was one contract for both games. One contract per game.
    atalkingfish;4762440 said:
    Secondly, how would that benefit anything?
    Same reason going to the grocery store and buying everything you want at once is easier than going one time for each individual item?

    Except instead of going to get groceries, you're paying a team of lawyers.
  • atalkingfishatalkingfish Opening Act
    edited June 2012
    GNFfhqwhgads;4762441 said:
    Then they'd say, "Ok, we'll just do that," since I never said there was one contract for both games. One contract per game.

    psst... that's more or less what they do now...
  • GNFfhqwhgadsGNFfhqwhgads 99% Washed Up
    edited June 2012
    grumblevolcano;4762442 said:
    What's wrong with Scream (I'm assuming you're talking about the A7X song)?
    Broken disco flip on Pro drums.
    atalkingfish;4762443 said:
    psst... that's more or less what they do now...
    I know. Which is why I said they'd do it at the same time. To which you fought tooth and nail to that being a 'huge modification'. Which is it?
  • www1221www1221 StackOverflowError
    edited June 2012
    GNFfhqwhgads;4762441 said:
    Then they'd say, "Ok, we'll just do that," since I never said there was one contract for both games. One contract per game.

    Same reason going to the grocery store and buying everything you want at once is easier than going one time for each individual item?

    Except instead of going to get groceries, you're paying a team of lawyers.

    I think you dont even know what you are arguing for anymore
  • GNFfhqwhgadsGNFfhqwhgads 99% Washed Up
    edited June 2012
    www1221;4762446 said:
    I think you dont even know what you are arguing for anymore
    Sure, I do. Harmonix makes one trip for one song in two games, rather than two trips for one song in two games.

    If you're going to respond, respond to points, don't try and say I'm the one confused.
  • atalkingfishatalkingfish Opening Act
    edited June 2012
    GNFfhqwhgads;4762444 said:
    Broken disco flip on Pro drums.

    I know. Which is why I said they'd do it at the same time. To which you fought tooth and nail to that being a 'huge modification'. Which is it?

    I'd imagine that if a rep from HMX met with a rep from some label on a specific occasion, some labels would definitely not be up for discussing two separate contracts at the same time. Maybe two separate contracts for separate bands, but the contract for DC is very obviously much different than the contract for RB.

    Plus, who even knows if these discussions are person-to-person any more.

    I'd imagine that if "doing them at the same time" benefitted much of anything, HMX would already be on it. I'd imagine they either already to it or it doesn't benefit anything very much.
    GNFfhqwhgads;4762447 said:
    If you're going to respond, respond to points, don't try and say I'm the one confused.

    I don't think anyone thinks you're confused. I think they just think you're confusing them by changing your main points every two posts.
  • dragoninforcerdragoninforcer UnWashed
    edited June 2012
    When it comes to arguments, GNF usually knows what he's talking about.
  • GNFfhqwhgadsGNFfhqwhgads 99% Washed Up
    edited June 2012
    atalkingfish;4762448 said:
    I'd imagine that if a rep from HMX met with a rep from some label on a specific occasion, some labels would definitely not be up for discussing two separate contracts at the same time.
    Yeah. Which is why, as I already said, Harmonix would say, "Ok."

    Wanting it done in one trip doesn't magically make it impossible to do any other way, you know.
  • atalkingfishatalkingfish Opening Act
    edited June 2012
    GNFfhqwhgads;4762451 said:
    Yeah. Which is why, as I already said, Harmonix would say, "Ok."

    Wanting it done in one trip doesn't magically make it impossible to do any other way, you know.

    So you're saying...

    "HMX should do more than one contract per trip, if possible"

    ...................do you really think that they aren't organized enough to have thought of this already?
  • www1221www1221 StackOverflowError
    edited June 2012
    Im pretty sure your argument went from cross licencing songs to asking about songs in both games at the same time when you realized that your first point was wrong
  • GNFfhqwhgadsGNFfhqwhgads 99% Washed Up
    edited June 2012
    www1221;4762453 said:
    Im pretty sure your argument went from cross licencing songs to asking about songs in both games at the same time when you realized that your first point was wrong
    Right, except for my post saying it WOULDN'T be one contract because they're NOT licensed the same way was one of, if not the, first comment I made about it.

    You can just go ahead and say you didn't follow what I was saying whenever you're ready.
    atalkingfish;4762452 said:
    ...................do you really think that they aren't organized enough to have thought of this already?
    Apparently not, since you originally said it was a massive change to how they license songs.
  • atalkingfishatalkingfish Opening Act
    edited June 2012
    www1221;4762453 said:
    Im pretty sure your argument went from cross licencing songs to asking about songs in both games at the same time when you realized that your first point was wrong

    *ding ding ding*

    We have a correct answer here, folks!

    Seriously, though, I can only imagine how much the HMX people are laughing reading this conversation where we are all very clearly outlining our severe lack of knowledge on this topic.
    GNFfhqwhgads;4762454 said:
    Apparently not, since you originally said it was a massive change to how they license songs.

    Actually, I was referring to the original talking point as mentioned in the quote above. That would be a huge change in regards to how they license their songs.
  • GNFfhqwhgadsGNFfhqwhgads 99% Washed Up
    edited June 2012
    Here's me at 3:33 local time saying it's two different contracts.
    GNFfhqwhgads;4762343 said:
    They could just pursue a song for both games at the same time. No one said it had to be in one contract, or in identical manners.
    Here's atalkingfish 20 minutes later calling that a new concept.
    atalkingfish;4762367 said:
    Certainly not enough to warrant a whole new method of licensing.
    Reinforcing what he said...
    atalkingfish;4762426 said:
    I bet it actually would be.
    Me saying it's what they've been doing...
    GNFfhqwhgads;4762427 said:
    I bet it wouldn't be, because it's exactly what they've been doing, just in one trip, not two.
    Me repeating it's two contracts...
    GNFfhqwhgads;4762431 said:
    One trip instead of two is a 'huge modification'? No. I'm not saying they'd do MORE cross-licensing, I said it's legally no different. It's the SAME EXACT TWO CONTRACTS they currently have for Just Dance, just done at the SAME TIME, NOT IN TWO DIFFERENT SPANS.
    Nearly an hour after my original post, atalkingfish saying two contracts is simpler(what a concept!) than one contract for both games, which no one ever said. And also that the games are licensed differently.
    atalkingfish;4762435 said:
    Believe it or not, it's very possible that two separate contracts for two separate games is more simple than one contract for two separate games. There's a LOT more than just "hay, can we uze dis pleez?"

    (especially since I highly, highly, highly doubt that the DC contract is the "SAME EXACT" thing as the RB contract)
    And two hours after my original post, www implying that I was suggesting a 'one contract' method.
    www1221;4762439 said:
    And if they come across a band that would love to have their song in dc but not rb (or vice versa) what then? oh a whole new contract!

    But you guys are right, my argument has been all over the place.
  • GNFfhqwhgadsGNFfhqwhgads 99% Washed Up
    edited June 2012
    atalkingfish said:
    GNF, I think we can go through and reread your posts on our own, we don't need the summary of your favorite parts.
    I'd recommend going through them a first time before making any claims about 'rereading', personally.
  • SirDavidTLynchSirDavidTLynch Headliner
    edited June 2012
    Rock Band and Dance Central are two completely different games, not only from a legal standpoint, but with completely different gameplay and with different audiences. There's no reason Harmonix should change the way they've been licensing their music for at least five years just for the few songs that would work in both games, especially since that hasn't stopped what overlap there already is.
  • atalkingfishatalkingfish Opening Act
    edited June 2012
    GNFfhqwhgads;4762462 said:
    I'd recommend going through them a first time before making any claims about 'rereading', personally.

    I like how you tried, and failed, to recreate and quote my post by memory. You seemed to have forgotten the most important part, though: the part where I said "I think I'm done here"
  • GNFfhqwhgadsGNFfhqwhgads 99% Washed Up
    edited June 2012
    atalkingfish;4762473 said:
    I like how you tried, and failed, to recreate and quote my post by memory. You seemed to have forgotten the most important part, though: the part where I said "I think I'm done here"
    Looks like we forgot the same part, then.
  • edited June 2012
    Zing.


    GNF and ATF at it again. Its like its 2011 all over again.
  • jibjqrkljibjqrkl Eventually Perceptive
    edited June 2012
    how i've missed these beautiful moments :')
  • www1221www1221 StackOverflowError
    edited June 2012
    MagicMurderBag7;4762506 said:
    Zing.


    GNF and ATF at it again. Its like its 2011 all over again.

    I was apart of this :(
  • atalkingfishatalkingfish Opening Act
    edited June 2012
    It's true. It wasn't GNF versus ATF. It was GNF versus rational logic and everyone who has it.

    Seriously, though, not every disagreement has to be seen as "going at it". Can't disputes over reasoning just be disputes over reasoning?
  • blzbub74blzbub74 Road Warrior
    edited June 2012
    GNFfhqwhgads;4762462 said:
    I'd recommend going through them a first time before making any claims about 'rereading', personally.

    I will probably regret reopening this can of worms, but I think its cute that you think that the usual process would include "trips." In situations like the Beatles, sure. But in general I would imagine that most of this done through conference calls and fax machines.
  • GNFfhqwhgadsGNFfhqwhgads 99% Washed Up
    edited June 2012
    blzbub74;4762937 said:
    I will probably regret reopening this can of worms, but I think its cute that you think that the usual process would include "trips." In situations like the Beatles, sure. But in general I would imagine that most of this done through conference calls and fax machines.
    It's a word used because it's a word, not a sentence long explanation, like you had to do just to find a way to say it. I'd trust most people could work it out on their own.
  • bonethug0108bonethug0108 Headliner
    edited June 2012
    GNF's version in short: Call x and ask for artist/song y for both rb and dc. If willing send one contract for rb and one separate contract for dc.

    It's not anything major. It's simply just asking for both at the same time.
  • GNFfhqwhgadsGNFfhqwhgads 99% Washed Up
    edited June 2012
    bonethug0108;4762951 said:
    GNF's version in short: Call x and ask for artist/song y for both rb and dc. If willing send one contract for rb and one separate contract for dc.

    It's not anything major. It's simply just asking for both at the same time.
    Jesus christ, finally, thank you.
  • SirDavidTLynchSirDavidTLynch Headliner
    edited June 2012
    There's no point in doing that for two completely different games. What works in one game doesn't necessarily work in the other. How would Ne-Yo, Rihanna, or LMFAO play in Rock Band? Is the Dance Central crowd asking for a 2-3 minute edit of Rime of the Ancient Mariner?
  • GNFfhqwhgadsGNFfhqwhgads 99% Washed Up
    edited June 2012
    SirDavidTLynch;4762987 said:
    What works in one game doesn't necessarily work in the other.
    Uh huh. Which is why they only try to double-up if they want to. It's not a forced thing they would suddenly have to do for every song. Come on.
  • Lowlander2Lowlander2 FaIling Star
    edited June 2012
    Y'all have way too much time on your hands...
  • bonethug0108bonethug0108 Headliner
    edited June 2012
    GNFfhqwhgads;4762953 said:
    Jesus christ, finally, thank you.

    No problem. I think people were way over thinking it and took it to mean something that would change how they did business completely.

    And it's not like you implied they'd do it for every song. I think most people are realistic about what would and wouldn't work in each game.

    Like the raining blood example. What was that about? :p
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