Rock Band in 2013 and beyond

Foos036Foos036 Unsigned
edited April 2013 in Rock Band
With 2013 only a month away, I'm a little surprised that I haven't seen anything posted on here about what may happen with Rock Band after the calendar year ends.

Five straight years of DLC is extremely impressive, and I'm proud to say that I've spent ridiculous amounts of money on the franchise since day 1. That being said, I'm curious to see what people on here think about DLC continuing over the next year.

I know a lot of people (on here, and everywhere else) have proclaimed Rock Band to be dead multiple times, such as when GH died, when Harmonix became independent, when they put 1,000+ songs on sale, when Blitz came out (no instruments wat?!) and when Green Day songs came out as DLC (which I found to be the most hilarious reason of all to proclaim the end is nigh,) but they've kept on pushing out new content, which is damn impressive. So what do you guys think about 2013? Do they go on for another year, or is the end upon us?

I -- and a lot of others as well -- really don't expect a new core RB title to come out until the next generation hits. As far as DLC, I personally feel that they'll keep going, especially if they're still making a profit, which they appear to be doing.

Your thoughts, please.

Comments

  • SheSaidSheSaidSheSaidSheSaid Washed Up
    edited November 2012
    www1221;4936133 said:
    A Rock Band game for the launch of next gen console would do well

    What do you base that on?
  • crash13crash13 Jiminy jillickers!
    edited November 2012
    SheSaidSheSaid;4936143 said:
    What do you base that on?

    Recognizable title to pick up for when you purchase a new system.
  • www1221www1221 StackOverflowError
    edited November 2012
    SheSaidSheSaid;4936143 said:
    What do you base that on?

    The second part of my post.

    People look for games to play on next gen consoles. Games that come out at launch do better than if they wouldnt have came out at launch. A game like Rock Band with support(assuming DLC migration and all that jazz) for over 4500 oh so songs would be a good choice for someone looking for something to play on their launch console.
  • 88sBand88sBand Road Warrior
    edited November 2012
    I won't even bother with consoles if RB4 doesn't happen.
  • SheSaidSheSaidSheSaidSheSaid Washed Up
    edited November 2012
    www1221;4936152 said:
    The second part of my post.
    Doesn't work that way for a game like RB. It doesn't cost $59.99 to get into RB for the first time. It costs quite a bit more.
    www1221;4936152 said:
    People look for games to play on next gen consoles. Games that come out at launch do better than if they wouldnt have came out at launch. A game like Rock Band with support(assuming DLC migration and all that jazz) for over 4500 oh so songs would be a good choice for someone looking for something to play on their launch console.

    /assumes all DLC and exports will make it to the 8th gen. Even if it does, who's gonna make the instruments that's not making them now?

    This is a lovely little Pollyanna idea, but it'd never work in reality.
  • hiddenzombie013hiddenzombie013 Opening Act
    edited November 2012
    I'd say there's about an 80% chance that RB4 won't get made, and about 99.99% chance it won't get made for a next-gen system. It would alienate all of those with RB instruments but no new console, and everyone who wants RB4 for the new system, but can't play it because there's no new instruments beng made.
  • crash13crash13 Jiminy jillickers!
    edited November 2012
    There is the slight possibility that our controllers now will work on next gen consoles.
  • Pitch-BlackPitch-Black Road Warrior
    edited November 2012
    Personally, I try not to be too pessimistic about the future of RB. However, I, like many others here, have come to doubt the likelihood of another core RB game being made. Ever, actually. I certainly hope otherwise and I do think that it's a doable thing; just not likely. I tend to think that DLC will continue for this generation of console - perhaps right to the end - but I don't see it being extended to the next generation, even if it IS possible for DLC to transfer. I don't think anything is set in stone, though (except for, you know, things that are -literally- set in stone).
  • TommyWalker1237TommyWalker1237 Unsigned
    edited November 2012
    Man, this thread is kinda depressing.
    I tend to agree with the general sentiment here. Seems unlikely DLC will continue forever, but in a perfect world it will.

    I, too, have been on board since GH1 days. Ah, the memories. I'll keep buying DLC, as long as they keep releasing fun, approachable party songs and awesome rock songs for the solo players.
  • CyurusCyurus Unsigned
    edited November 2012
    I would guess they will continue producing one of the best-selling and successful franchises out there. I would think there will be several band packs next year. I would like to see a game focusing on a genre again, maybe blues or goth. They seem pretty committed to keeping rock band 3 alive, yet it is out of print. So I would like to know why... And the answer to this would reveal much.

    A downloadable free interface would be nice. Possibly free-to-play when you pay for twenty songs... maybe wishful thinking. But music is going in 100 directions at once now, and it would give more choice to the players. I imagine if this was delayed it could explain some things.

    I also love the characters in RB, and would not mind extra character-building DLC packs. If I'm going to make this a wish list.
  • ThatAuthoringGroupThatAuthoringGroup Numero Uno Super **** Fanboy #1
    edited November 2012
    Pitch-Black;4936262 said:
    Personally, I try not to be too pessimistic about the future of RB. However, I, like many others here, have come to doubt the likelihood of another core RB game being made. Ever, actually. I certainly hope otherwise and I do think that it's a doable thing; just not likely. I tend to think that DLC will continue for this generation of console - perhaps right to the end - but I don't see it being extended to the next generation, even if it IS possible for DLC to transfer. I don't think anything is set in stone, though (except for, you know, things that are -literally- set in stone).


    This.

    I know I'm with an authoring group BUT don't think I have any insider knowledge into HMX plans concerning RB.

    However looking at the trend of DLC sales (RBN wise) since the launch of RBN to now, sales and player/purchase base is way down. I'd love LOVE for a RB4 to be made. Not only for the game, but for the fact that instruments are getting non existent. As more instruments break, and there's no stock to replace them less people will be able to play even if they wanted to.

    There's this terrible catch 22 that's slowly spiraling to the end of the RB franchise. If there isn't enough of a player base to make creating a new instrument focused game (IE Rock Band 4), then financially it doesn't make sense to take the risk of putting out said game. The Catch-22 is without said new game and instruments the user base will continue to dwindle as equipment fails.

    I've come to accept that there will be no Rock Band 4, that the series will stay on current gen consoles, and Harmonix will continue to put out DLC until the user base has dwindled to the point where it's no longer financially viable to do so.

    MAYBE there's a sudden resurgence in the franchise (but without new instruments for new players to play on I don't see how that can happen), and Harmonix is able to make a RB4 for next gen consoles. Never say never, but realistically I don't see that happening from where we're at right now.

    BUT even if Harmonix announces the end of the franchise in the next year it's been a hell of a ride, and they accomplished a feat (continuous weekly DLC for over 5+ years) that I doubt will ever be repeated in the industry.

    AND I've still got thousands of tracks to keep playing long after the DLC stops, and even as much as I have there are more than 1000 tracks I don't own.

    So even if Rock Band stops today, I've still got plenty of content to keep me busy for years to come...

    Now if only my damn instruments hold together :P

    I think in three years we'll all be singing just to keep playing for lack of instruments >____>
  • grumblevolcanogrumblevolcano Headliner
    edited November 2012
    I think DLC support will continue until we have all of Dave Grohl's discography :D
  • nuttzo31nuttzo31 Opening Act
    edited November 2012
    ThatAuthoringGroup;4936332 said:


    BUT even if Harmonix announces the end of the franchise in the next year it's been a hell of a ride, and they accomplished a feat (continuous weekly DLC for over 5+ years) that I doubt will ever be repeated in the industry.

    AND I've still got thousands of tracks to keep playing long after the DLC stops, and even as much as I have there are more than 1000 tracks I don't own.

    So even if Rock Band stops today, I've still got plenty of content to keep me busy for years to come...

    Now if only my damn instruments hold together :P

    I think in three years we'll all be singing just to keep playing for lack of instruments >____>

    This^^^

    I am almost certain that rock band 3 is the last in the series and i view the (currently) 1036 songs and drums,keys,guitar,mic as somewhat of a lifetime investment that will keep me entertained for years to come but the lack of instruments available now and in the future means i may have to stock up on another 5 button guitar or 2 but eventually my instruments will go to rock heaven and there will no longer be any to purchase.

    Some part of me holds out hope for harmonix to release another game whether it be disc based or downloadable but the lack of interest from the general public as well as lack of instruments has basically killed any hope of another rock band game.

    There is no reason for me to think there would be any revival of the music game genre on the next gen consoles which will be dominated by first person shooters but dance central may have a future and will likely be harmonix future on the next gen consoles unless they come up with something new.

    All good things will come to an end but let's hope the end for rock band is still somewhere far in the distance.
  • RetrovertigoRetrovertigo Unsigned
    edited November 2012
    As someone who desperately needs a new guitar, and can't find one in the U.K (liitle point buying a second hand one) the game is pretty much dead to me, and all the DLC is now a waste of money as far as I'm concerned.

    I even contacted Madcatz here and they basically said they aren't getting any more guitars in :/ What a shame.
  • hakko504hakko504 Rising Star
    edited November 2012
    I think the only way RB4 is going to be made is if Sony & Microsoft can agree to allow all DLC to transfer to the new system AND if existing controllers will work on the next gens. That way they can both supply the new consoles and take advantage of the new stuff without alienating old players. And without a RB4 on the next gen, I personally won't upgrade. I got my 360 to play RB/GH because they weren't available on the PC, and since I only do music and race games, well, if there's no music games that ties me to a console, I can spend that money on keeping my PC fit for games.
  • nuttzo31nuttzo31 Opening Act
    edited November 2012
    hakko504;4936359 said:
    I think the only way RB4 is going to be made is if Sony & Microsoft can agree to allow all DLC to transfer to the new system AND if existing controllers will work on the next gens. That way they can both supply the new consoles and take advantage of the new stuff without alienating old players. And without a RB4 on the next gen, I personally won't upgrade. I got my 360 to play RB/GH because they weren't available on the PC, and since I only do music and race games, well, if there's no music games that ties me to a console, I can spend that money on keeping my PC fit for games.

    But even if sony and microsoft allow the dlc to transfer there will be hardly any peripherals availabe by the time the next gen consoles come around and how many of the people playing now are going to want to purchase a new console just to play rock band 4?
  • IcemageIcemage Road Warrior
    edited November 2012
    CanuckGamer;4936108 said:
    This reminds me, how about a special edition of Rock Band 3 for the Wii U? Where you can either play with either the instruments, or with the new tablet controller's touch pad. You can use your fingers on there to play drums, or guitar, bass, or key parts. And all the DLC from the Wii days will be compatible.
    The DLC shouldn't be a huge problem (exception: Green Day export, which seems to be impossible to download right now on Wii U), but the tablet controller's touch interface can't be used for playing anything like Rock Band. It's single-touch, not multi-touch like the screen on a PSVita/smartphone/normal tablet, so doing something as basic as playing a chord on a "virtual keyboard" would be impossible.

    EDIT: You could of course use the buttons, but then you're back to playing Rock Band Blitz... which actually does deserve a Wii U port.
  • folkeyefolkeye Headliner
    edited November 2012
    Since RB3 turned me completely off the series, it'd be a sad note to end it on. There's potential to improve the game so much in various ways it'd be depressing to not see them take that opportunity.

    Though it's a way I wouldn't play personally... they COULD potentially add the hand held controller as an instrument/mode to play in the game for reasons of lack of instruments being hard to find. Have it a downloadable title too, just a core game...maybe with room for expansions. Another thing I was surprised RB3 didn't take advantage of. Ways to expand the existing game.

    They've got another year or two before consoles are in peoples hands. They could potentially do an expansion for RB3. I know they won't. But adding more goals, more tour aspect/ways to earn fans (mainly a reason to keep on trucking and coming back for more).
  • gamrrpolgamrrpol Road Warrior
    edited November 2012
    CanuckGamer;4936108 said:
    This reminds me, how about a special edition of Rock Band 3 for the Wii U? Where you can either play with either the instruments, or with the new tablet controller's touch pad. You can use your fingers on there to play drums, or guitar, bass, or key parts. And all the DLC from the Wii days will be compatible.

    Uh....I see no chance of this happening. I don't think HMX will invest in any of the new generation of systems. The fanbase for the franchise is so small at this point it would be almost impossible to justify the investment in time / money necessary to create a new iteration.
  • gamrrpolgamrrpol Road Warrior
    edited November 2012
    ThatAuthoringGroup;4936332 said:
    This.

    I know I'm with an authoring group BUT don't think I have any insider knowledge into HMX plans concerning RB.

    However looking at the trend of DLC sales (RBN wise) since the launch of RBN to now, sales and player/purchase base is way down. I'd love LOVE for a RB4 to be made. Not only for the game, but for the fact that instruments are getting non existent. As more instruments break, and there's no stock to replace them less people will be able to play even if they wanted to.

    There's this terrible catch 22 that's slowly spiraling to the end of the RB franchise. If there isn't enough of a player base to make creating a new instrument focused game (IE Rock Band 4), then financially it doesn't make sense to take the risk of putting out said game. The Catch-22 is without said new game and instruments the user base will continue to dwindle as equipment fails.

    I've come to accept that there will be no Rock Band 4, that the series will stay on current gen consoles, and Harmonix will continue to put out DLC until the user base has dwindled to the point where it's no longer financially viable to do so.

    MAYBE there's a sudden resurgence in the franchise (but without new instruments for new players to play on I don't see how that can happen), and Harmonix is able to make a RB4 for next gen consoles. Never say never, but realistically I don't see that happening from where we're at right now.

    BUT even if Harmonix announces the end of the franchise in the next year it's been a hell of a ride, and they accomplished a feat (continuous weekly DLC for over 5+ years) that I doubt will ever be repeated in the industry.

    AND I've still got thousands of tracks to keep playing long after the DLC stops, and even as much as I have there are more than 1000 tracks I don't own.

    So even if Rock Band stops today, I've still got plenty of content to keep me busy for years to come...

    Now if only my damn instruments hold together :P

    I think in three years we'll all be singing just to keep playing for lack of instruments >____>

    This, a thousand times. EXACTLY how I see it.
  • Meat-PopsicleMeat-Popsicle Road Warrior
    edited November 2012
    88sBand;4936162 said:
    I won't even bother with consoles if RB4 doesn't happen.

    I'll probably buy an XBox 360 (finally!) if there's no Rock Band on the new consoles. Then I can play Dance Central, I hear that game is fun. Ideally, I'd also buy an account that already has a boatload of RB DLC on it ... surely that it possible, even if you're not allowed to advertise such transfers on this message board, right?

    I would expect new DLC for current consoles to continue until about 2014, regardless. We'll see.
  • firedoom666firedoom666 Headliner
    edited November 2012
    well my hope for 2013 is for more Ayreon to be added in Rock Band (to tie in with the new Ayreon album)
  • c-murphc-murph Rising Star
    edited November 2012
    Rock Band 4 with more and better character animations like RB2.

    Edit: World Tour and/or Level Select
  • AhieliaAhielia Unsigned
    edited November 2012
    Retrovertigo;4936348 said:
    As someone who desperately needs a new guitar, and can't find one in the U.K (liitle point buying a second hand one)
    Why's that?
    I bought one, works perfectly.
  • SheSaidSheSaidSheSaidSheSaid Washed Up
    edited November 2012
    Meat-Popsicle;4936504 said:
    I'll probably buy an XBox 360 (finally!) if there's no Rock Band on the new consoles. Then I can play Dance Central, I hear that game is fun. Ideally, I'd also buy an account that already has a boatload of RB DLC on it ... surely that it possible, even if you're not allowed to advertise such transfers on this message board, right?

    It may be possible, but that's way more than just frowned on. That is seriously illegal as ****.
  • Meat-PopsicleMeat-Popsicle Road Warrior
    edited November 2012
    SheSaidSheSaid;4936592 said:
    It may be possible, but that's way more than just frowned on. That is seriously illegal as ****.

    Wow, really? I am, by nature, really obnoxious about following rules, even rarely-respected copyright rules, so I'll stop that line of inquiry right now. But that seriously sounds like a terrible, anti-consumer law to me. As long as the whole group of games & DLC only belongs to one person at a time, I can't think of any reason why selling the rights to it after you're done with it, forever, should be "illegal".

    edit:
    A friend that works in Congress informs me that this kind of regulation is indeed "unfair", but reminds me that these same people would like to make similar acts like selling used video games and DVDs and books and CDs a crime, if only they could. Which they now can, with the rise of one-time-use online access codes and streaming video and eBooks.

    How rude.
  • peterock2007peterock2007 Road Warrior
    edited November 2012
    Meat-Popsicle;4936613 said:
    As long as the whole group of games & DLC only belongs to one person at a time, I can't think of any reason why selling the rights to it after you're done with it, forever, should be "illegal".

    I'll go ahead and write to my representative in Congress.

    Yeah I have to agree, how's this any diferent than selling used games and cds?
  • ASPMikeASPMike Opening Act
    edited November 2012
    Foos036;4936091 said:


    I know a lot of people (on here, and everywhere else) have proclaimed Rock Band to be dead multiple times, such as when GH died, when Harmonix became independent, when they put 1,000+ songs on sale, when Blitz came out (no instruments wat?!)


    GH didnt die as what most people say. Check the One of Swords blog (Acti's PR dude) he had a recent article/video about it.

    The music game genre has slowed tremendously. About the only thing that saved RB was Pro mode, it's massive DLC collection, and what I work in, RBN.
  • SheSaidSheSaidSheSaidSheSaid Washed Up
    edited November 2012
    peterock2007;4936622 said:
    Yeah I have to agree, how's this any diferent than selling used games and cds?

    Basically because there's no way to do it without selling an identity. But it's, sure, entirely possible that in a console gen or three it won't be like that anymore.
  • peterock2007peterock2007 Road Warrior
    edited November 2012
    Identity in the loosest term, the only thing tied to my account is a anonymous hotmail account with fake info.
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