Rock Band in 2013 and beyond

Foos036Foos036 Unsigned
edited April 2013 in Rock Band
With 2013 only a month away, I'm a little surprised that I haven't seen anything posted on here about what may happen with Rock Band after the calendar year ends.

Five straight years of DLC is extremely impressive, and I'm proud to say that I've spent ridiculous amounts of money on the franchise since day 1. That being said, I'm curious to see what people on here think about DLC continuing over the next year.

I know a lot of people (on here, and everywhere else) have proclaimed Rock Band to be dead multiple times, such as when GH died, when Harmonix became independent, when they put 1,000+ songs on sale, when Blitz came out (no instruments wat?!) and when Green Day songs came out as DLC (which I found to be the most hilarious reason of all to proclaim the end is nigh,) but they've kept on pushing out new content, which is damn impressive. So what do you guys think about 2013? Do they go on for another year, or is the end upon us?

I -- and a lot of others as well -- really don't expect a new core RB title to come out until the next generation hits. As far as DLC, I personally feel that they'll keep going, especially if they're still making a profit, which they appear to be doing.

Your thoughts, please.

Comments

  • hakko504hakko504 Rising Star
    edited November 2012
    I think the only way RB4 is going to be made is if Sony & Microsoft can agree to allow all DLC to transfer to the new system AND if existing controllers will work on the next gens. That way they can both supply the new consoles and take advantage of the new stuff without alienating old players. And without a RB4 on the next gen, I personally won't upgrade. I got my 360 to play RB/GH because they weren't available on the PC, and since I only do music and race games, well, if there's no music games that ties me to a console, I can spend that money on keeping my PC fit for games.
  • nuttzo31nuttzo31 Opening Act
    edited November 2012
    hakko504;4936359 said:
    I think the only way RB4 is going to be made is if Sony & Microsoft can agree to allow all DLC to transfer to the new system AND if existing controllers will work on the next gens. That way they can both supply the new consoles and take advantage of the new stuff without alienating old players. And without a RB4 on the next gen, I personally won't upgrade. I got my 360 to play RB/GH because they weren't available on the PC, and since I only do music and race games, well, if there's no music games that ties me to a console, I can spend that money on keeping my PC fit for games.

    But even if sony and microsoft allow the dlc to transfer there will be hardly any peripherals availabe by the time the next gen consoles come around and how many of the people playing now are going to want to purchase a new console just to play rock band 4?
  • IcemageIcemage Road Warrior
    edited November 2012
    CanuckGamer;4936108 said:
    This reminds me, how about a special edition of Rock Band 3 for the Wii U? Where you can either play with either the instruments, or with the new tablet controller's touch pad. You can use your fingers on there to play drums, or guitar, bass, or key parts. And all the DLC from the Wii days will be compatible.
    The DLC shouldn't be a huge problem (exception: Green Day export, which seems to be impossible to download right now on Wii U), but the tablet controller's touch interface can't be used for playing anything like Rock Band. It's single-touch, not multi-touch like the screen on a PSVita/smartphone/normal tablet, so doing something as basic as playing a chord on a "virtual keyboard" would be impossible.

    EDIT: You could of course use the buttons, but then you're back to playing Rock Band Blitz... which actually does deserve a Wii U port.
  • folkeyefolkeye Headliner
    edited November 2012
    Since RB3 turned me completely off the series, it'd be a sad note to end it on. There's potential to improve the game so much in various ways it'd be depressing to not see them take that opportunity.

    Though it's a way I wouldn't play personally... they COULD potentially add the hand held controller as an instrument/mode to play in the game for reasons of lack of instruments being hard to find. Have it a downloadable title too, just a core game...maybe with room for expansions. Another thing I was surprised RB3 didn't take advantage of. Ways to expand the existing game.

    They've got another year or two before consoles are in peoples hands. They could potentially do an expansion for RB3. I know they won't. But adding more goals, more tour aspect/ways to earn fans (mainly a reason to keep on trucking and coming back for more).
  • gamrrpolgamrrpol Road Warrior
    edited November 2012
    CanuckGamer;4936108 said:
    This reminds me, how about a special edition of Rock Band 3 for the Wii U? Where you can either play with either the instruments, or with the new tablet controller's touch pad. You can use your fingers on there to play drums, or guitar, bass, or key parts. And all the DLC from the Wii days will be compatible.

    Uh....I see no chance of this happening. I don't think HMX will invest in any of the new generation of systems. The fanbase for the franchise is so small at this point it would be almost impossible to justify the investment in time / money necessary to create a new iteration.
  • gamrrpolgamrrpol Road Warrior
    edited November 2012
    ThatAuthoringGroup;4936332 said:
    This.

    I know I'm with an authoring group BUT don't think I have any insider knowledge into HMX plans concerning RB.

    However looking at the trend of DLC sales (RBN wise) since the launch of RBN to now, sales and player/purchase base is way down. I'd love LOVE for a RB4 to be made. Not only for the game, but for the fact that instruments are getting non existent. As more instruments break, and there's no stock to replace them less people will be able to play even if they wanted to.

    There's this terrible catch 22 that's slowly spiraling to the end of the RB franchise. If there isn't enough of a player base to make creating a new instrument focused game (IE Rock Band 4), then financially it doesn't make sense to take the risk of putting out said game. The Catch-22 is without said new game and instruments the user base will continue to dwindle as equipment fails.

    I've come to accept that there will be no Rock Band 4, that the series will stay on current gen consoles, and Harmonix will continue to put out DLC until the user base has dwindled to the point where it's no longer financially viable to do so.

    MAYBE there's a sudden resurgence in the franchise (but without new instruments for new players to play on I don't see how that can happen), and Harmonix is able to make a RB4 for next gen consoles. Never say never, but realistically I don't see that happening from where we're at right now.

    BUT even if Harmonix announces the end of the franchise in the next year it's been a hell of a ride, and they accomplished a feat (continuous weekly DLC for over 5+ years) that I doubt will ever be repeated in the industry.

    AND I've still got thousands of tracks to keep playing long after the DLC stops, and even as much as I have there are more than 1000 tracks I don't own.

    So even if Rock Band stops today, I've still got plenty of content to keep me busy for years to come...

    Now if only my damn instruments hold together :P

    I think in three years we'll all be singing just to keep playing for lack of instruments >____>

    This, a thousand times. EXACTLY how I see it.
  • Meat-PopsicleMeat-Popsicle Road Warrior
    edited November 2012
    88sBand;4936162 said:
    I won't even bother with consoles if RB4 doesn't happen.

    I'll probably buy an XBox 360 (finally!) if there's no Rock Band on the new consoles. Then I can play Dance Central, I hear that game is fun. Ideally, I'd also buy an account that already has a boatload of RB DLC on it ... surely that it possible, even if you're not allowed to advertise such transfers on this message board, right?

    I would expect new DLC for current consoles to continue until about 2014, regardless. We'll see.
  • firedoom666firedoom666 Headliner
    edited November 2012
    well my hope for 2013 is for more Ayreon to be added in Rock Band (to tie in with the new Ayreon album)
  • c-murphc-murph Rising Star
    edited November 2012
    Rock Band 4 with more and better character animations like RB2.

    Edit: World Tour and/or Level Select
  • AhieliaAhielia Unsigned
    edited November 2012
    Retrovertigo;4936348 said:
    As someone who desperately needs a new guitar, and can't find one in the U.K (liitle point buying a second hand one)
    Why's that?
    I bought one, works perfectly.
  • SheSaidSheSaidSheSaidSheSaid Washed Up
    edited November 2012
    Meat-Popsicle;4936504 said:
    I'll probably buy an XBox 360 (finally!) if there's no Rock Band on the new consoles. Then I can play Dance Central, I hear that game is fun. Ideally, I'd also buy an account that already has a boatload of RB DLC on it ... surely that it possible, even if you're not allowed to advertise such transfers on this message board, right?

    It may be possible, but that's way more than just frowned on. That is seriously illegal as ****.
  • Meat-PopsicleMeat-Popsicle Road Warrior
    edited November 2012
    SheSaidSheSaid;4936592 said:
    It may be possible, but that's way more than just frowned on. That is seriously illegal as ****.

    Wow, really? I am, by nature, really obnoxious about following rules, even rarely-respected copyright rules, so I'll stop that line of inquiry right now. But that seriously sounds like a terrible, anti-consumer law to me. As long as the whole group of games & DLC only belongs to one person at a time, I can't think of any reason why selling the rights to it after you're done with it, forever, should be "illegal".

    edit:
    A friend that works in Congress informs me that this kind of regulation is indeed "unfair", but reminds me that these same people would like to make similar acts like selling used video games and DVDs and books and CDs a crime, if only they could. Which they now can, with the rise of one-time-use online access codes and streaming video and eBooks.

    How rude.
  • peterock2007peterock2007 Road Warrior
    edited November 2012
    Meat-Popsicle;4936613 said:
    As long as the whole group of games & DLC only belongs to one person at a time, I can't think of any reason why selling the rights to it after you're done with it, forever, should be "illegal".

    I'll go ahead and write to my representative in Congress.

    Yeah I have to agree, how's this any diferent than selling used games and cds?
  • ASPMikeASPMike Opening Act
    edited November 2012
    Foos036;4936091 said:


    I know a lot of people (on here, and everywhere else) have proclaimed Rock Band to be dead multiple times, such as when GH died, when Harmonix became independent, when they put 1,000+ songs on sale, when Blitz came out (no instruments wat?!)


    GH didnt die as what most people say. Check the One of Swords blog (Acti's PR dude) he had a recent article/video about it.

    The music game genre has slowed tremendously. About the only thing that saved RB was Pro mode, it's massive DLC collection, and what I work in, RBN.
  • SheSaidSheSaidSheSaidSheSaid Washed Up
    edited November 2012
    peterock2007;4936622 said:
    Yeah I have to agree, how's this any diferent than selling used games and cds?

    Basically because there's no way to do it without selling an identity. But it's, sure, entirely possible that in a console gen or three it won't be like that anymore.
  • peterock2007peterock2007 Road Warrior
    edited November 2012
    Identity in the loosest term, the only thing tied to my account is a anonymous hotmail account with fake info.
  • fcmleftyfcmlefty Road Warrior
    edited November 2012
    1) Can we please stop with this talk that the wiiU is going to get any kind of RB3 re-release. And also, as a general rule, we need to stop with this talk of the wiiU being the first of a new generation. Its the last to the party of this generation. the old wii is a PS2 with a cool controller. The wiiU is barely on par with ps3 & xbox 360 but does indeed have an even cooler controller. (and this is coming from somebody who is bound and determined to get a wiiU - I'm not a hater, just a realist)

    2) Ok, back on track - I don't believe we'll see a Rock Band 4. We'll see DLC as long as possible for HMX to do so. But I do believe we'll see one more title update in which they try to give us as much as they possibly can and still have it "play nice" with the game we have in hand.
  • samjjonessamjjones Road Warrior
    edited November 2012
    Everything dies, baby. That's a fact.

    But maybe everything that dies some day comes back.

    HMX are a bunch of smart people. I don't think they want to flat leave people who have spent thousands of dollars on downloadable content.

    There may not be another "performance simulation" version of Rock Band ever planned, but I'd have to think that they're still working on ways to leverage the existing/massive libraries that they offer and their users already have.
  • peterock2007peterock2007 Road Warrior
    edited November 2012
    samjjones;4936701 said:
    Everything dies, baby. That's a fact.

    But maybe everything that dies some day comes back.
    I have a plant that died when I was in college, It's still dead. How long before I should give up hope?
    samjjones;4936701 said:
    HMX are a bunch of smart people. I don't think they want to flat leave people who have spent thousands of dollars on downloadable content.

    There may not be another "performance simulation" version of Rock Band ever planned, but I'd have to think that they're still working on ways to leverage the existing/massive libraries that they offer and their users already have.

    Your overlooking the most important part. True HMX semms like a great company but profit does affect descions. They're not going to leverage the DLC if it costs them too much money. Ask Wii users who want RBN dlc.

    If the only way to remain profitale as a company is to ditch RB, they will.
  • AhieliaAhielia Unsigned
    edited December 2012
    I think Harmonix would be fools not to release another version of Rock Band on the next generation consoles.
    However, if they don't make the DLC cross-compatible (at least ps3 -> ps4 and xbox 360 -> xbox 720), they can basically kiss their consumer base good-bye.
  • blingdomepieceblingdomepiece Opening Act
    edited December 2012
    It may not even be possible to make DLC cross-compatible, for licensing reasons. If you've seen what happens to some disc songs when a new game comes out, you know not to assume anything.
  • matshimatshi Unsigned
    edited December 2012
    Personally, I would only buy the new xbox if there is a RB4 on the future console.

    AND

    I think rock band could make a huge come back if they add some improvements to the actual instruments. I would put RB4 as a line-up tittle to promote it.
  • DangimarockerDangimarocker Headliner
    edited December 2012
    peterock2007;4936711 said:
    I have a plant that died when I was in college, It's still dead. How long before I should give up hope?



    Your overlooking the most important part. True HMX semms like a great company but profit does affect descions. They're not going to leverage the DLC if it costs them too much money. Ask Wii users who want RBN dlc.

    If the only way to remain profitale as a company is to ditch RB, they will.

    There's not very many Wii users, that's an invalid (i fixed my word like 3 times now... tiredddd) argument.. look at Wii Dlc sales... they are barely over 1000 most the time, even ps3 hits 1000 quite a bit and it looks almost dead to me now. (It's the same people with couple new now)
  • DangimarockerDangimarocker Headliner
    edited December 2012
    blingdomepiece;4937339 said:
    It may not even be possible to make DLC cross-compatible, for licensing reasons. If you've seen what happens to some disc songs when a new game comes out, you know not to assume anything.

    That'll be the end of the Harmonix reign than. Because i don't see many putting hundreds of dollars back into this game. And they know this.. sales are already low as is.
  • DiabolicMoss21DiabolicMoss21 Unsigned
    edited December 2012
    Is it over for Rock Band?Looks that way to me.The people here are saying so and their the hard core fans and if they have given up on the game.HMX is diging a hole for Rock Band with games like Blitz and Dance Central.But the thing that will kill it in the end will be that before long you will not be able to get a plastic guitar to play the game with.
  • SideshowNSideshowN Rising Star
    edited December 2012
    Rock Band is not dead until the DLC stops coming out. I can wait till the next gen Xbox for a new game. As long as all the DLC transfers over and current gen plastic instruments work on the newer console a RB4 looks highly possible to happen.
  • SirDavidTLynchSirDavidTLynch Headliner
    edited December 2012
    I still don't understand how Rock Band Blitz can possibly be interpreted as the end of Rock Band.
  • vexx0820vexx0820 Unsigned
    edited December 2012
    I'd *like* to see an RB4 that takes the best of RB2 and RB3 (player access to buttons and knobs like venue selection, band assignments, etc. as well as fixes the animation goofiness in RB3). Kind of a Gold Edition that simply pulls together what people liked best about 2 and 3 but with the latest in avatar and animation graphics?

    What I think IS going to happen is just a small steady continuance of DLC as old artists figure out their stuff rotting on the shelf gets a bump and new artists get exposure through this game.

    Also, its going to get harder and harder to find replacement or upgraded instrument controllers. Its already difficult enough I feel like I need to collect extras :P
  • Pime_Taradox234Pime_Taradox234 Opening Act
    edited December 2012
    I want to see one last major RB game on this generation of consoles. I think RB4 would be a nice sendoff and I think it could very well happen. I definitely want to see RB4 (and score duels, damnit). And I'm sure that HMX will continue with the DLC train every week. I still don't know how they're able to afford all that music licensing for both the RB and DC series especially as an independent company now, but they can still obviously pump out songs, so I guess there's no worrying to be had about that.
  • ThatAuthoringGroupThatAuthoringGroup Numero Uno Super **** Fanboy #1
    edited December 2012
    DiabolicMoss21;4937360 said:
    Is it over for Rock Band?Looks that way to me.The people here are saying so and their the hard core fans and if they have given up on the game.HMX is diging a hole for Rock Band with games like Blitz and Dance Central.But the thing that will kill it in the end will be that before long you will not be able to get a plastic guitar to play the game with.


    I'm the hardest hardcore fan you're gonna find. I might have accepted that if the current state of things continue that there will be no Rock Band 4, but that doesn't mean I think the franchise is dead.

    It's not dead until the encore is over, and that's yet to happen.

    I'll be here doing everything I can with TAG to make sure we keep getting songs as long as we're able. Just because I don't think there will be a Rock Band 4 doesn't mean that Rock Band 3 DLC can't continue for a good while yet.

    I'm going on record saying that the neXtBox will be out November 2013, but it's going to take a bit before it catches on enough that it becomes THE XBox and the 360 gets left behind. As long as the instruments hold out and the hard core stick around we've probably got about 18-24 months before that happens. So theoretically (if things hold out) we've still got a good while before RB is 'over'.

    And even when it's over it's not over. If the amount of songs released continues weekly I'd say by that point we'd have about 5000 songs to play.

    Even when the DLC stops...5000 songs? That's going to keep me busy for a very long damn time. Long after Rock Band is a fond memory in the public's eye I'll still be playing it.

    Even if that means I have to sing to do it :P
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