We demand online matchmaking and multiple instruments per console!

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  • dlchief58 said:

    LoopyChew said:

    Look, @dlchief cares about the game, even if all he seems to do is complain. He has legitimate points about what the game is versus what it used to be and I do find myself wishing there were more to the game.

    That said, Chief, people are enjoying this game on its own merits and stop thinking you’re above those sheep, because you very clearly think those of us who enjoy the game are suckers. It’s not that we don’t miss things like more than one player per console and keys (obviously, since we’re on a thread about the former and you were a very active participant on the thread about the latter), it’s that we’ve accepted these as reality and hope that some of this stuff gets addressed as time goes by.

    Furthermore, if you keep treating Harmonix like they’re some sort of antagonist in an episode of Leverage and are cheering for its demise, that’s just being a jerk, and won’t be tolerated. Stick with complaints but don’t cross that line ever again.

    As per multiple instruments per console, I presume (user hat) that it’s simply too difficult time- and cost-wise for them to implement (and test) it properly. There’s a LOT of things that need to be tested (I’ve gone on at length about the kinds of things that they need to figure out beforehand, and since I’m working off of a limited internet connection I can’t find it right now) and since (as I hope everyone has realized by now) they had to rebuild RB4 from the ground up, even if they have a logic they can follow from the previous games it takes a LOT to make sure whatever code they’re working on follows that logic.

    Okay! Twenty-four hours into my trip and already annoyed by the internet. Maybe I should appreciate only having limited access.

    I guess its OK that many of you enjoy the game for what it is, but you should be demanding better and not settling.
    Demanding is not the correct way to go about it. There would be no fan base left if we were just all demanding things left and right.

    However, what we do is request. They listen to our feedback and we listen to theirs. The only way we have a chance at getting what we would like is by continuing to support them. It has shown that that method bodes well for both us (the community) and them (Harmonix). With what they currently have slated for the near future is yet another good step in the right direction. And pending on the outlook after that, with our support, maybe we will get another expansion next year with some highly requested features.

    Only time will tell. But through the proverbial fire and flames, I'm going to keep supporting them because I know how loyal they are to their base.
  • And we need to keep in mind it is a limited budget, and most of that goes to lawyers and licensing.

    Yes we all want more and better things, but being realistic with expectations is also important. Request away, but demanding things, especially things that take a good chunk of budget, isn't the way to go.
  • Yes we all want more and better things, but being realistic with expectations is also important. Request away, but demanding things, especially things that take a good chunk of budget, isn't the way to go.

    I don't want more and better, I just want multiple instruments per console online. Just one thing, this should be the only thing in the budget, everything else is fluff
  • RyoandrRyoandr Opening Act

    And we need to keep in mind it is a limited budget, and most of that goes to lawyers and licensing.

    Yes we all want more and better things, but being realistic with expectations is also important. Request away, but demanding things, especially things that take a good chunk of budget, isn't the way to go.

    Then they need to be clear about what their budget allows.
    Literally everything is "Maybe" at this point, and has been for 2 years. Heck even the stage kit support went back to "Maybe"...
  • Ryoandr said:

    And we need to keep in mind it is a limited budget, and most of that goes to lawyers and licensing.

    Yes we all want more and better things, but being realistic with expectations is also important. Request away, but demanding things, especially things that take a good chunk of budget, isn't the way to go.

    Then they need to be clear about what their budget allows.
    Literally everything is "Maybe" at this point, and has been for 2 years. Heck even the stage kit support went back to "Maybe"...
    The thing is, I doubt they have a budget for the *entire* RB lifecycle, probably just for the next X months (e.g. through 2018) or maybe just the next feature release). So it’s always “maybe” because it’s “not now.”
  • SmashManSmashMan Rising Star
    Ryoandr said:

    Heck even the stage kit support went back to "Maybe"...

    Stage kit is as clear a no as Harmonix comes without actually saying no. There was nothing ambiguous or open-ended about the way they addressed it on the stream.
  • SmashMan said:

    Ryoandr said:

    Heck even the stage kit support went back to "Maybe"...

    Stage kit is as clear a no as Harmonix comes without actually saying no. There was nothing ambiguous or open-ended about the way they addressed it on the stream.
    And yet there’s a reason they don’t say “no:” because it’s not a definitive, close-the-book “no.” That’s why Derek clarified the statement in the corresponding thread:
    HMXOwl said:

    It's the same answer we've had for the last year, everyone. We're not working on it. We could later if we so choose. No one said 'definite no' except for fan interpretation.

  • TheRainbowTroutsTheRainbowTrouts Opening Act
    edited November 2017
    LoopyChew said:

    SmashMan said:

    Ryoandr said:

    Heck even the stage kit support went back to "Maybe"...

    Stage kit is as clear a no as Harmonix comes without actually saying no. There was nothing ambiguous or open-ended about the way they addressed it on the stream.
    And yet there’s a reason they don’t say “no:” because it’s not a definitive, close-the-book “no.” That’s why Derek clarified the statement in the corresponding thread:
    HMXOwl said:

    It's the same answer we've had for the last year, everyone. We're not working on it. We could later if we so choose. No one said 'definite no' except for fan interpretation.

    It's still a no though as Smashman originally described. Not an outright no like keyboards, more like a no to a RB3 styled character creator. There's little point waiting around for any of these 3 features.
  • grumblevolcanogrumblevolcano Headliner
    edited November 2017
    ekffazr said:


    Yes we all want more and better things, but being realistic with expectations is also important. Request away, but demanding things, especially things that take a good chunk of budget, isn't the way to go.

    I don't want more and better, I just want multiple instruments per console online. Just one thing, this should be the only thing in the budget, everything else is fluff
    The issue with multiple instruments per console online may be a 1st party issue like Microsoft not allowing the RB4 and Rivals instruments to have headphone jacks or Sony not allowing cross platform online play rather than a HMX issue.
  • ekffazr said:


    Yes we all want more and better things, but being realistic with expectations is also important. Request away, but demanding things, especially things that take a good chunk of budget, isn't the way to go.

    I don't want more and better, I just want multiple instruments per console online. Just one thing, this should be the only thing in the budget, everything else is fluff
    The issue with multiple instruments per console online may be a 1st party issue like Microsoft not allowing the RB4 and Rivals instruments to have headphone jacks or Sony not allowing cross platform online play rather than a HMX issue.
    it may be that or it may be something else or it may be nothing
    then I wish they would say something......anything.

    "hey all, we know you want this but so far we haven't been able to make it happen due to some technical issues"
    or
    "hey sorry this is not on our roadmap at all in the future"
    or
    "hey everyone, this is something we may look at down the road, but not in the coming year"
    or
    "hey you know what, we are actually seeing what can be done here"

    I know they read these threads, but they don't acknowledge this even exists or that we even care about it. its like a ghost thread that only non hmx people can see. just looking for hmx to acknowledge

    sometimes I ask too much though
  • ekffazr said:


    Yes we all want more and better things, but being realistic with expectations is also important. Request away, but demanding things, especially things that take a good chunk of budget, isn't the way to go.

    I don't want more and better, I just want multiple instruments per console online. Just one thing, this should be the only thing in the budget, everything else is fluff
    The issue with multiple instruments per console online may be a 1st party issue like Microsoft not allowing the RB4 and Rivals instruments to have headphone jacks or Sony not allowing cross platform online play rather than a HMX issue.
    Doubtful. I can’t imagine controller limitations being an issue with cross local/network multiplayer.
  • SmashManSmashMan Rising Star
    LoopyChew said:

    SmashMan said:

    Ryoandr said:

    Heck even the stage kit support went back to "Maybe"...

    Stage kit is as clear a no as Harmonix comes without actually saying no. There was nothing ambiguous or open-ended about the way they addressed it on the stream.
    And yet there’s a reason they don’t say “no:” because it’s not a definitive, close-the-book “no.” That’s why Derek clarified the statement in the corresponding thread:
    HMXOwl said:

    It's the same answer we've had for the last year, everyone. We're not working on it. We could later if we so choose. No one said 'definite no' except for fan interpretation.

    I don't think that goes against anything I said. Aside from keyboard support when they were surprisingly clear, Harmonix has trouble saying no, opting for a "never say never!" or "maybe one day!" approach. That's fine early on, but two years after release? Sometimes things are just no, and that's fine too.

    Sussman's statements on the stage kit in the stream didn't really need Derek's further clarification here, though even that clarification could have ended after "We're not working on it." The sentences after it do nothing but give those few people still wanting support for it something to cling to when their hopes could be better spent elsewhere.
  • rkbdgurlrkbdgurl Road Warrior
    Sometimes hope is all ya got. I remember when we were all just holding on to the hope that Rock Band would come out with a new game....or that dlc would make a comeback...so for those who refuse to give up hope. You have my full support. ....even if there isn't a snowballs chance in Arizona that you'll get what you want, Never give up!
    ;)
  • rkbdgurl said:

    even if there isn't a snowballs chance in Arizona that you'll get what you want, Never give up!
    ;)

    it snows in flagstaff sometimes :smile:

  • SmashManSmashMan Rising Star
    rkbdgurl said:

    Sometimes hope is all ya got. I remember when we were all just holding on to the hope that Rock Band would come out with a new game....or that dlc would make a comeback...so for those who refuse to give up hope. You have my full support. ....even if there isn't a snowballs chance in Arizona that you'll get what you want, Never give up!
    ;)

    I'm not as anti-hope as the wording in my previous post reads, haha. It's just...they're not going to support a non-essential nine year old peripheral two years into their latest entry's life cycle. It's okay for them to just say that sometimes.
  • @SmashMan I think external factors are why HMX won't say no outright.

    Think about Master Chief Collection for example, 343 stopped trying to fix the game in 2015 as a result of reaching a somewhat stable compromise where trying to fix more of the bugs would seem to break other parts of the game. Then very recently, 343 announced that they're returning to fixing Master Chief Collection in Spring 2018 because the new XB1 OS (October 2017 update) and XB1X are allowing them to overcome those issues.

  • ekffazr said:

    rkbdgurl said:

    even if there isn't a snowballs chance in Arizona that you'll get what you want, Never give up!
    ;)

    it snows in flagstaff sometimes :smile:

    "The annual snowfall averages 100.3 inches (254.76 cm), placing Flagstaff among the snowiest incorporated cities in the United States. Overall, the city features an average of 277 days without measurable precipitation each year."

    I'd say that's a lot of snowballs in Arizona.

  • I've been to Flagstaff during the winter, can confirm there is a lot of snow

    There is also a lot of other places that get snow too, while there is almost none in Tucson, Mt. Lemon (which is like an hour away) has a good ski resort that opens in the winter

    but yeah a better saying would be a "snowball's chance in Tucson, or Phoenix, or Yuma, or Nogales, or many other southern cities"
  • I'm calling tsunami's chance in Indiana as far as the metaphors go.
  • bonethug0108bonethug0108 Headliner
    edited November 2017
    New Orleans gets snow sometimes. And by sometimes I mean about once every 15 years or so.

    https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/Louisiana/annual-snowfall.php
  • I think HMX's answer to the SK is perfect and appropriate. I don't know how you can misinterpret "We're not working on it, but that doesn't mean we won't ever work on it."

    So I love the stage kit, and had plenty of smoky lit-up RB2 and RB3 parties. I would love the SK to return to RB4, but I am not looking for it in the current update or anytime in the future. But there is a chance down the road that HMX will chime in and say "Hey, guess what?"
  • While this was kind of already detailed in the roadmap stream, the November update blog post had a section on the early 2018 update:

    "Before I get to the meat of this update, I want to remind you that we’ve got more coming in early 2018. In addition to a super strong DLC schedule (you’ll see!), we’re working on an update designed to add some long-awaited functionality to Online Quickplay. We’re still building it, so there isn’t too much to say right now, but the major takeaway is that we’re getting rid of the constraint where you can only play with console friends and building out some host and join functions that make it much easier to find people to play with – people with similar play styles, DLC song count, and more. Online Quickplay will be getting a major overhaul. We will definitely have more to say about this as our development process progresses, so please stay tuned!"

    http://www.harmonixmusic.com/blog/rock-band-4-november-update-now-live/
  • djb5f1djb5f1 Unsigned
    edited November 2017
    yeah, I think those waiting for bigger holiday DLC packs this year (based on previous years offerings) will just be... waiting.

    I expect a relatively quiet final two months, i.e. similar to what we've been seeing as far as quantity of DLC.
  • grumblevolcanogrumblevolcano Headliner
    edited November 2017
    Modern pop sure was the key to larger DLC weeks in the past, take that away and you're left with very little DLC...
  • While this was kind of already detailed in the roadmap stream, the November update blog post had a section on the early 2018 update:

    "Before I get to the meat of this update, I want to remind you that we’ve got more coming in early 2018. In addition to a super strong DLC schedule (you’ll see!), we’re working on an update designed to add some long-awaited functionality to Online Quickplay. We’re still building it, so there isn’t too much to say right now, but the major takeaway is that we’re getting rid of the constraint where you can only play with console friends and building out some host and join functions that make it much easier to find people to play with – people with similar play styles, DLC song count, and more. Online Quickplay will be getting a major overhaul. We will definitely have more to say about this as our development process progresses, so please stay tuned!"

    http://www.harmonixmusic.com/blog/rock-band-4-november-update-now-live/

    I take this as a promise of a promise. I let myself get hopeful before when online play was first showcased. This time Im keeping my expectations in check until I see the words 'In the next update you will be able to have multiple instruments per console'. Then I will decommission my PS3.

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