Ions dying: Simmons SD1000 or Alesis Nitro

I got my Ions pretty much right when they came out. After coming back to RB4 in the last year or so, I find that they are dropping notes to the point where it impacts how much fun I'm having in the game.

I'm thinking to upgrade to a real e-kit. I'm on PS4 and have a MidiPro Adapter.

I was thinking to get an Alesis Nitro because it seems to be pretty well reviewed around here (and other places on line).

But, Guitar Center currently has the Simmons SD1000 for $338 ($450 plus 25% off). I know that it's an older drum line and from the little I've read Alesis seems to have a somewhat better reputation for quality than Simmons (really seems like Roland + Yamaha, then others). It also looks like the SD1000 would also make me get a beater for the kick drum (not included).

So, it the current lower level model (Nitro) better than the older higher level model (SD1000).

It looks like both of these kits have the MIDI out that I'd need to play RB (although I read somewhere that the SD1000 MIDI out only works if nothing in plugged into the USB out).

If you were me, which kit would you buy (or would you wait around until Black Friday to see if there are any other deals to be had). I keep telling myself that I'd like to spend < $350, but if there was a really good deal on a Forge (or even a Command) I might bite.


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  • braves22braves22 Opening Act
    You may want to check this out if you have one in your area...


    https://www.bfads.net/stores/guitar-center/ads/black-friday/page-9#viewer
  • It looks like Guitar Center isn't honoring the price. They have the discount listed on the website, but you can't apply the code because the set is on clearance. Ah well...I think I'll be just as happy with a Nitro.
  • braves22braves22 Opening Act

    It looks like Guitar Center isn't honoring the price. They have the discount listed on the website, but you can't apply the code because the set is on clearance. Ah well...I think I'll be just as happy with a Nitro.

    Honoring what price...the URL I posted isn't active til Black Friday
  • Sorry, I meant the price in my original post.

    They wouldn't honor the 25% off $450 for the SD1000. After calling a bunch of people there, I found one who gave me 25% off $500 ($375). I bought it at this price. I figured that was probably a pretty good price. I have read that Simmons isn't super reliable, but I'm hoping that a set that was ~ $700 less than a year ago ends up being at least as good as the Nitro.

    The one thing I still need is a pedal for the bass drum. Anyone have any info on where to get one at a good price?
  • I have the Alesis Nitro and it works great. I had to get a different frame for it though, cuz the one that it came with it is pretty fragile.
  • The Nitro does get the job done, I have no complaints really. @RobotsPJs is correct about the frame though.


  • The one thing I still need is a pedal for the bass drum. Anyone have any info on where to get one at a good price?

    The Guitar Center by me has a 'used' section and I found a decent Tama pedal for 30$, otherwise check Craigslist or Ebay. Have upgraded to a PDP pedal and was a world of difference. I would assume a double chain drive would be even better?

    Here's the midi values if needed. Happy Drumming! :smiley:
  • Thanks all.

    I was hunting around on Carigslist and e-bay over the weekend. I found an old Pearl double pedal on Craigslist, but it was > an hour away and I was too lazy to go get it. Instead, I got a PDP SP400 that looks to be in very good condition for $40 shipped (looks like the single version of the pedal OHNOITSLYNCHO posted above).

    It will be interesting to see how the SD1000 does. Looks like it gets mixed reviews online. I purchased with a CC that extends the manufacturer's warranty, so hopefully that helps if something goes wrong.

    I'm sure that there will be a learning curve with the module, but I think it will be fun. It'll be nice to be able to play without the game once in a while too.
  • Just an update for anyone curious:

    The SD1000 worked almost perfectly without changing any settings (MIDI notes aren't all the bold options, but they all worked). I am still tuning some cross-talk / sensitivity / threshold values for each pad, but it's generally working very well (but my Tom1 will sometimes trigger the Snare..this might be an edge hit that does it, but I can't quite tell).

    The biggest issues I have (which isn't too bad) is that I can't get the Hi-Hat Pedal to work properly.
    - I am currently playing in RB3 and I have the Hi-Hat control checkmarked in drum settings.
    - My HH control is set to MIDI 44 as instructed in the MIDI pro adapter and the link
    - I can't see any option for CC#4 anywhere in my kit's module but my understanding is that this makes it so that the pedal is always down (i.e. always yellow cymbal).
    - I'd appreciate it if anyone has any feedback on this to point me in the right direction...but if it doesn't work, it looks like I can unclick the HiHat Pedal option and use the second pedal as a double bass (my understanding is that this is the only option in RB4...but I like RB3 because it still lets us play with my PS2 GH controller with a TAC PS2-to-PS3 adapter...we're also fixing up an old MIDI keyboard to get the keys into the game)

    Having a real set is pretty cool. It nice to be able to play along to Pandora. I find I have little creativity playing drums after following the RB highway for so long, so this helps a bit...but I tend to play 2-3 simple beats for every song and my fills need work...nice to have something to get better at though.
  • You should have the in-game HiHat option turned off. Everything that is happening with the eDrums is happening inside the drum brain prior to sending to the game. The in-game Hi-Hat option is for the stock drums only.
  • You should have the in-game HiHat option turned off. Everything that is happening with the eDrums is happening inside the drum brain prior to sending to the game. The in-game Hi-Hat option is for the stock drums only.

    There isn't an in-game hi-hat option. Believe me, I've been looking for it.
  • Hmmm... He said he could unclick it...
  • Northern_BlitzNorthern_Blitz Opening Act
    edited November 2017
    LoopyChew said:

    You should have the in-game HiHat option turned off. Everything that is happening with the eDrums is happening inside the drum brain prior to sending to the game. The in-game Hi-Hat option is for the stock drums only.

    There isn't an in-game hi-hat option. Believe me, I've been looking for it.
    Are you looking for this option in RB3? My understanding is that it doesn't exist in RB4, maybe that's why you can't find it? It also doesn't show up if I look for it from a non-drum controller. I believe that I have the latest update of RB3 (at least it doesn't prompt me to update when I load it).

    The option I'm talking about can be found as follows:

    1. Press start with guitar controller (in this case MIDI Pro Adapter) in RB3.
    2. Go to "Options"
    3. Go to "Drum Options"
    4. There is then a circle you can check or un-check called "Enable HiHat Pedal" (it's right under the toggle for "Lefty mode")

    When I have it unchecked, triggering the hi-hat pedal acts as a second base drum (and does not switch yellow cymbal to blue cymbal)

    When I have it checked, triggering the hi-hat pedal does not play a bass drum. But, it also doesn't switch the hi-hat from open to closed. This makes me wonder if my module is also sending CC#4 which apparently always sends the signal to keep the hihat closed (I guess you'd probably want this if you were playing double bass?). I can't find where this setting is in my module.

  • Northern_BlitzNorthern_Blitz Opening Act
    edited November 2017
    Playing around with it again this morning.

    When I have "Enable HiHat Pedal" checked, it changes the sound of the hi-hat from open to closed in free play and if I'm hitting them pre-song. BUT, no matter what sound it plays it always registers as a yellow button.

    Has anyone here had success using the Hi-Hat pedal to toggle from yellow cymbal to blue cymbal? Is this something that can still be done in game, or is it just something that works in free play?

    EDIT: Just hooked it up to RB4. Works for all pads. Didn't calibrate and seemed to be working OK. Might have had additional crosstalk issues between blue and green toms. No option to enable HH pedal and pedal serves as double bass when set to MIDI 44 (as suggested in MIDIPRO manual).
  • Yeah, I'm looking at it in RB4. It's in RB3, but in RB4 they patched it from hi-hat to bass drum without a toggle.

    Basically, on my setup, the event that gets triggered when I press the pedal registers as a black pedal from the RB drum kit, which means every time I try to switch from HHO to HHC the bass drum hits. If I get that toggle back in RB4 I can use my drum kit the way I played it in RB3.

    But in RB3 I think they were worried that the hi-hat pedal would confuse too many newcomers or uncertain about calibrating its trigger point between open and closed, or something else; it only functions as a hi-hat pedal in free play.
  • LoopyChew said:

    But in RB3 I think they were worried that the hi-hat pedal would confuse too many newcomers or uncertain about calibrating its trigger point between open and closed, or something else; it only functions as a hi-hat pedal in free play.

    Thanks. That clears it up for me.
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