Rockbandfan23467;414904 said:They both influenced the same people.Also, This was the very first of the Battle of The Bands, and Chuck Berry Won.
leftover_crack;414855 said:i say chuck berry cause he was more influential
Rockbandfan23467;425921 said:No, actually Elvis was more influencial. He influenced any different artists, which were some of the same as the ones Chuck did. Elvis was also one of the greatest singers in Rock and Roll History. He also, like Axl (Who I wish was my Dad) said, could stand the test of time.
Pennsylvanian;426482 said:Honestly, I've got little respect for Elvis. He was a good singer and a good showman, but he was also a plagiarist and treated anyone under him like trash, so much so that his black backup singers walked off stage when he said their breath smelled like catfish. Yeah, rock and roll spread by him, but I have little respect for him as an artist. Granted Berry wasn't much better, but at least he could write a larger chunk of his library, and had talent as a guitarist. I hate to play ironic hipster revisionist, and I realize Elvis's contributions, but I think history has been a little TOO kind to him. What if I started getting popular by playing songs written by dive punk bands, only switching a few things around to appeal to common people, then call myself the king of punk when I get popular? It just bugs me.
fighting69th;427690 said:Most singers didn't write their own songs back then and how do you figure he treated everyone like trash? The Sweet Inspirations were with him for his entire return to touring, almost 10 years. If buying everyone Cadillacs and having them live in Graceland/Vegas take them across the country on a private jet is getting treated bad, then sign me up! As far as influence, Elvis was the King for that reason alone. Mostly because he was white IMHO. Little Richard, Chuck Berry and Ike Turner would have been as influential as Elvis but look at the way he was marketed initially but Sam Phillips at Sun Records....A man singing like he was black. PLUS, this is more due to his greedy manager, his marketing paved the way for all future musicians/bands. Still going strong today. I know Elvis was no saint, but his voice is one of the best ever hands down. Not too many people get in to the R&R, Country and Gospel Hall of Fame by NOT being inspirational and influential. This one goes to the King....thankyouverymuch
AxlVanHagar;428947 said:Pennsylavanian raises some interesting points though I disagree that Elvis was a plagerist. It's not like he was taking peoples songs and sticking his name on them as writer the way Zepplin did. The only thing he "stole" was the style of black performers of the 40's. And even that seems to be open to some debate. From wiki...When "That's All Right" was played, many listeners were sure Presley must be black, and most white disc-jockeys wouldn't play his Sun singles. However, black disc-jockeys didn't want anything to do with a record made by a white man. To some, Presley had undoubtedly "stolen" or at least "derived his style from the Negro rhythm-and-blues performers of the late 1940s." Some black entertainers, notably Jackie Wilson, countered, "A lot of people have accused Elvis of stealing the black mans music, when in fact, almost every black solo entertainer copied his stage mannerisms from Elvis."Regardless I do agree that Elvis wasn't much of an artist as he lacked a lot of musical ability and didn't do much if any in the song writing dept. I've always considered him more of a performer/showman. He had the looks and the voice with the charisma. He had the intangible "it" factor that every star needs but so few have.
Rockbandfan23467;430416 said:Elvis grew up in the same area as many of the old bluesmen. He was esentially a very poor black kid.Did you knmow that Elvis was born blond?
Pennsylvanian;430107 said:It's basically a given that many white performers of the time stole at least one song (lyrics or otherwise) from black performers as it was easy to get popular in such a small, yet budding genre that white people were barely getting into. While there is no real proof that he did steal anything by his own motive or volition, it's almost guaranteed that he did because it was common practice for record labels to encourage such things. Ignorance of it all doesn't excuse anyone, either.
OldFogey;430734 said:Well the other side of the coin is -- there's a lot of speculation that Chuck actually got his signature riffs from the keyboard player whose band he joined. One clue -- so many of them were in the key of C, which is a piano player's key, not a guitarists (E and A are the big guitar keys). And they are kind of pianistic.
AxlVanHagar;430903 said:I hadn't heard that Fogey but that does prove to be an interesting tid bit of trivia. Makes one wonder...
Rockbandfan23467;430930 said:Pensylvaininan, I'd love to hear your take on Led Zeppelin....
Pennsylvanian;432335 said:Yeah. Just, no. I'm done with this topic. I took it to a depressing place.
fighting69th;432814 said:Not at all, I think you started us on a interesting discussion. You got me Axl and Fogey started what more could a topic need? lol.