The Beatles: ROCK BAND - Rumors and Facts

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  • Stones_ClashStones_Clash Rising Star
    edited January 2009
    well, for me, this game will be hit or miss. i definitely like the beatles, so theres a plus right there. it also seems like this will be a much more complete package that will feel more dedicated to the respective band than the bare bones AC/DC live track pack. however, there are two things that bother me.

    the first is that i dont really see this shouldnt be considered a rock band game. harmonix has stated that the gameplay will be similar (for all intents and purposes, i think its safe to assume that this means the same, after all, its a music game, how different could it be?), and it focuses heavily on a specific band. this in turn limits its appeal because for every person out there who loves the beatles, theres sure to be somebody who doesnt. however, the rock band brand has already gained recognition, so why change the name to something else? if it aint broke, dont fix/change it.

    finally, my last concern is whether all these beatles tracks will be transferable to rock band. harmonix has stated time and time again that it views rock band as a platform, so to me, it would seem logical, and expected that that would be the same case here.

    if all the tracks in the game are transferable, you can count me in on a purchase. if not however, im afraid that i might have to pass on this one...
  • KozmicRiffKozmicRiff Road Warrior
    edited January 2009
    wickedbadz;1864385 said:
    I really don't care what name they tag on the disc or what they claim, I've listened to the Beatles alot and I just don't see any fun in playing them on Rockband. Whens the last time you heard a Beatles song with some serious shredding going on? This disc if you ask me will be a waste of cash. It just goes to show how desperate Michael Jackson who owns the rights to the Beatles music really is for cash and Harmonix bit the hook cause Activision probably wouldn't.
    This is crazy talk, The Beatles are going to be so much fun to play is simply ridiculous ..... and they shred plenty!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgkiEiRjBfg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8DVI5Cc1s0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87yq372R4Ts
  • Rockbandfan23467Rockbandfan23467 Headliner
    edited January 2009
    Again:

    Game will take from the Beatles' first album "Please Please Me" all the way to "Abbey Road." And will be based on the UK releases.
    Why UK? and what about Let It Be?
  • hodayathinkhodayathink Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    Rockbandfan23467;1869755 said:
    Again:



    Why UK? and what about Let It Be?
    Because the UK releases usually came out first. And Let It Be was recorded before Abbey Road, but released after. Abbey Road was the last album they recorded in the studio.
  • SayburrSayburr The Always Informative Rock Band Forum Guru
    edited February 2009
    Just added this to the first post:

    Added 2/6/2009 - It looks like the game will have distinct stages based on the career of the Beatles. In an interview with McCartney he stated the following “[Harmonix said] "We’d like to do just a special Beatles edition, we’d like to do different periods -- you know, you get early days, Liverpool, then psychedelic, and on from there." It’s very cool.” Thanks to p34ch for finding this information. – Link
  • cherokeesamcherokeesam Washed Up
    edited February 2009
    iamtheddrman;1867882 said:
    I will never understand this argument that people make. So what if there are 5 instruments? You can only have 4 controllers connected at a time (on 360/Wii, 7 on PS3) so the game would let you select the 4 instruments that you currently have connected to the console. They already block out vocals on YYZ and Caprici, so why couldn't they block out "Keyboard" if there is no keyboard connected?
    Exactly.

    And it's not like The Beatles were ever a 5-man band. You play EITHER keyboards, OR something else like Bass.....just like Paul did.

    A keyboard peripheral *would* be a cool add to the game, but I won't hold my breath for it.
  • iamtheddrmaniamtheddrman Merch-Table
    edited February 2009
    cherokeesam;1921174 said:
    Exactly.

    And it's not like The Beatles were ever a 5-man band. You play EITHER keyboards, OR something else like Bass.....just like Paul did.

    A keyboard peripheral *would* be a cool add to the game, but I won't hold my breath for it.
    Yeah, I'm certainly not holding my breath either. I'd like to see it make it eventually, but keyboard would require a very large number of keys to be challenging, which might make it inaccessible to beginners (unless they do like guitar and step up the number of buttons based on difficulty). At any rate, I think HMX is gonna do this game right, and it'll be worth renting even if you don't like the Beatles all that much.
  • Drfirewater RB2Drfirewater RB2 Unsigned
    edited February 2009
    I am disappointed hearing this for two reasons

    1. this means that its possible that we will have to buy all new perperials like new drums and guitars cause nothing works together (look at GH and RB crossover problems)

    2. Different disk and seperate game means the songs wont be crossed over so you will have to swap out disks ... this means no beatles at my rock band parties and if i cant play with my friends with out being forced to only play one band ... chances i will sadly miss out on this large waste of money if they are not transferable.

    I LOVE THE BEATLES AND RB

    and i think that if the songs are not transferable to rb2 then this project is gonna bomb.


    ps. I play keybord and i can tell you there is no way to intelligently do a keybord in a rock band type game without it being near if not completly impossible for anyone who doent already read music and play the piano.
  • BruceDickinsonBruceDickinson Road Warrior
    edited February 2009
    I doubt it will bomb. It will probably do just fine even without transferability.
  • whofanwhofan Headliner
    edited February 2009
    Drfirewater RB2;1941049 said:
    I am disappointed hearing this for two reasons

    1. this means that its possible that we will have to buy all new perperials like new drums and guitars cause nothing works together (look at GH and RB crossover problems)

    2. Different disk and seperate game means the songs wont be crossed over so you will have to swap out disks ... this means no beatles at my rock band parties and if i cant play with my friends with out being forced to only play one band ... chances i will sadly miss out on this large waste of money if they are not transferable.

    I LOVE THE BEATLES AND RB

    and i think that if the songs are not transferable to rb2 then this project is gonna bomb.


    ps. I play keybord and i can tell you there is no way to intelligently do a keybord in a rock band type game without it being near if not completly impossible for anyone who doent already read music and play the piano.
    /facepalm

    1) This is an Harmonix product. What makes you think that it won't support their own periphreals? To think that it won't, you'd have to be pretty dumb

    2) The separate disk issue has not been resolved yet. We do not know whether or not it will be exportable. The popular theory right now (not saying that's what's going to happen, it just makes the most sense) is that at the end of the career mode you will be given access to a code that will allow you to export the tracks onto the RB Platform. However, nothing has been confirmed just yet.
  • edited February 2009
    whofan;1941134 said:
    /facepalm

    1) This is an Harmonix product. What makes you think that it won't support their own periphreals? To think that it won't, you'd have to be pretty dumb

    2) The separate disk issue has not been resolved yet. We do not know whether or not it will be exportable. The popular theory right now (not saying that's what's going to happen, it just makes the most sense) is that at the end of the career mode you will be given access to a code that will allow you to export the tracks onto the RB Platform. However, nothing has been confirmed just yet.
    I think it is better to assume that it won't be transferable... that way when we find out that it doesn't people wont be freaking saying "but you said it would be!" If we have low expectations we can all not freak out later.
  • edited February 2009
    Drfirewater RB2;1941049 said:
    I am disappointed hearing this for two reasons

    1. this means that its possible that we will have to buy all new perperials like new drums and guitars cause nothing works together (look at GH and RB crossover problems)

    2. Different disk and seperate game means the songs wont be crossed over so you will have to swap out disks ... this means no beatles at my rock band parties and if i cant play with my friends with out being forced to only play one band ... chances i will sadly miss out on this large waste of money if they are not transferable.

    I LOVE THE BEATLES AND RB

    and i think that if the songs are not transferable to rb2 then this project is gonna bomb.


    ps. I play keybord and i can tell you there is no way to intelligently do a keybord in a rock band type game without it being near if not completly impossible for anyone who doent already read music and play the piano.
    well in this case I am glad it is Harmonix job to try to integrate a keyboard and not yours. Because with that attitude nothing would get done. I think if hmx is capable to make Rockband then they are fully capable of making a keyboard that people can enjoy without learning how to play a real keyboard. Just my opinion though.
  • princeofcupsprinceofcups Road Warrior
    edited February 2009
    iamtheddrman;1923947 said:
    Yeah, I'm certainly not holding my breath either. I'd like to see it make it eventually, but keyboard would require a very large number of keys to be challenging, which might make it inaccessible to beginners (unless they do like guitar and step up the number of buttons based on difficulty). At any rate, I think HMX is gonna do this game right, and it'll be worth renting even if you don't like the Beatles all that much.
    You have no basis for any of this. The guitar doesn't have strings for gods sake. Why can't the keyboard be similarly different. It can have any number of keys. I'd expect 10 or 12.

    There is no reason to think that they could not make their keyboard charting easy for beginners. Just cut down the number of colors to hit to 4 for easy, and add complexity from there. Two fingers per hand sounds pretty easy to me.
  • SayburrSayburr The Always Informative Rock Band Forum Guru
    edited February 2009
    Drfirewater RB2;1941049 said:

    1. this means that its possible that we will have to buy all new perperials like new drums and guitars cause nothing works together (look at GH and RB crossover problems)
    I really doubt there will be a problem here. Sure, there's RB and GH crossover problems, but that is also two different companies, one of which doesn't want to play nice with the other.

    I am pretty sure they will release new controllers with a Beatles slant to them, but the RB1/2 controllers will work also. I would be very surprised if this is not the case.
  • princeofcupsprinceofcups Road Warrior
    edited February 2009
    Drfirewater RB2;1941049 said:

    ps. I play keybord and i can tell you there is no way to intelligently do a keybord in a rock band type game without it being near if not completly impossible for anyone who doent already read music and play the piano.
    Uh huh. Just like not having strings or frets on the guitar? Give me a break. The keyboard controller does NOT have to look like a real keyboard. It is just a controller to play keyboard parts, which are just colors on the screen. I expect 5 or six keys for each hand, color coded, maybe with a right hand and left hand charting track on the screen.
  • acondon747acondon747 Road Warrior
    edited February 2009
    40 songs no thanks waste of a disc either way, just make dlc I don't care to play as these people I can make them myself if I cared about it.

    I would much rather just play these on RB2 I don't care about venues/characters/animations, just gimme songs.
  • iamtheddrmaniamtheddrman Merch-Table
    edited February 2009
    princeofcups;1942060 said:
    You have no basis for any of this. The guitar doesn't have strings for gods sake. Why can't the keyboard be similarly different. It can have any number of keys. I'd expect 10 or 12.

    There is no reason to think that they could not make their keyboard charting easy for beginners. Just cut down the number of colors to hit to 4 for easy, and add complexity from there. Two fingers per hand sounds pretty easy to me.
    Actually, my basis is on Beatmania, which is made by the people who made GuitarFreaks and DrumMania. You do realize HMX took their idea and made it popular in the U.S. right? If they do the same with a keyboard, the starting point for comparison will be Beatmania.

    The controller for Beatmania had 7 keys - 4 white, 3 black - much like a really keyboard, and also had a little scratchpad. Let me tell you, playing that game with all 7 keys is HARD, and I took piano lessons for like 6 years. Giving it 12 keys would be possible, but very hard and intimidating for beginners, even if Easy doesn't require all of them. Also, when I said "very large" number, I didn't mean 88 keys, I was thinking no more than 14, which is way more than the guitar controller has.

    I'm pretty much certain that if HMX were to make a keyboard controller (which is a big IF), they will take into consideration the blend of difficulty and accessibility that will make the game successful, just like they did with GH and drums on RB.
  • VenturaVentura Road Warrior
    edited February 2009
    The existing controllers that we have are bound to work with this new Beatles project. They'd be mad to not ensure that.

    I would guess the reason why it's songs won't be compatible with Rock Band is because they will be adding another charted instrument, and I would certainly guess that it's going to be the keyboard.

    While it would be nice if the songs were playable in Rock Band 2 with the omission of that controller, that would be Harmonix going out of their way (and we couldn't have that).

    At some point in the future though, it would be nice if we could play the Beatles alongside the extensive collection of music we do already have. I imagine for the tracks that already exist and which do have the keyboard, we'll likely be looking at a small fee to have the keyboard chart for that song added to it.
  • SayburrSayburr The Always Informative Rock Band Forum Guru
    edited February 2009
    acondon747;1942225 said:
    40 songs no thanks ...
    Please note, Harmonix said they have not announced the number of songs yet and they don't know where the rumor of 45 songs started. So, until Harmonix actually announces the song count I would not believe the 45 total given at this moment.

    I am not saying its not true, but HMX did post that it is just a rumor.

    HMX also said in the same post that Keyboards were only a rumor also...

    http://www.rockband.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1511001&postcount=20
  • whofanwhofan Headliner
    edited February 2009
    Ventura;1942537 said:


    While it would be nice if the songs were playable in Rock Band 2 with the omission of that controller, that would be Harmonix going out of their way (and we couldn't have that).

    Yes, because HMX has never gone out of their way to facilitate it's userbase.

    They just re-licenced every song they could from RB1 to make sure that it was importable into RB2 for their fans.

    They chased after and made sacrifices to ensure that one of the most requested bands on these forums signed onto their project.

    They created a patch for the PS3 users to allow them to use the GH guitars, despite the fact that they could have just said "sorry, you'll have to use the RB guitars".

    Yeah.... they don't go out of their way for us.
  • west siidewest siide Road Warrior
    edited February 2009
    It would be difficult to have alot of colored notes for the keyboards just for the fact that you have screenspace issues.

    Could you really have a display space on your TV to allow for 10 or 12 keys along with all the other instruments?

    I think it's likely that they're won't be any keyboard controller, unless they make it a keytar (which actually would be kinda cool).
  • Northern_BlitzNorthern_Blitz Opening Act
    edited February 2009
    Maybe a keyboard could have 5 keys (3white, 2 black) and 3 different pedals. Then the screen looks like the GHWT drum. But the "pedal" line can be 3 different colour lines as well (or a partial bar covering a third of the screen).

    Easy starts with 3 keys and one pedal.
    Medium has 4 keys and two pedals (one sparingly)
    Hard has 5 keys and all three pedals (one sparingly)
    Expert has all parts.

    What would be wierd about this would be that you'd be doing something with one hand and one foot, but nothing with the other hand.
  • SamStoneSamStone Opening Act
    edited February 2009
    ps. I play keybord and i can tell you there is no way to intelligently do a keybord in a rock band type game without it being near if not completly impossible for anyone who doent already read music and play the piano.
    I play keyboard too, and I'm telling you that this can be done, and done quite easily.

    First, have a look at Synthesia, a free Rockband-like program for your PC which shows notes for all 88 keys in a falling note pattern.

    Now, you don't need nearly that many for a game like Rock Band. If you wanted to be able to chart piano parts exactly, but compress them in octaves, you could do it with 24 keys - a full set for each hand position. 36 would be better, so you could get some hand movement into the game on expert.

    But you could also do something much simpler - drop the black keys, and just use buttons. Say, 12 of them, so you could move your hands up and down a note like you do with the guitar.

    You could easily fit this onto the screen - Rock Band has extra real-estate if you assume the players have high definition TVs, or at least widescreen TVs. Or, you design it so that if you're playing keyboards, it takes up two spaces, so you'd either have to drop the guitars, or one guitar and the drums. Or you could put the keyboard horizontally across the screen and make the user choose between keyboards and vocals.

    I'm sure a good designer could come up with a suitable arrangement.

    Another option is to add an LCD display to the keyboard - a small one like the one that's in the Logitech G15 keyboard, and move the notes to it leaving the onscreen display uncluttered. Or the keyboard could even have light-up keys or a 16-segment LED bar graph above each key showing the 'falling' notes.

    I'm sure there are other options as well. You just have to put on your thinking cap.
  • iamtheddrmaniamtheddrman Merch-Table
    edited February 2009
    SamStone;1945777 said:
    I play keyboard too, and I'm telling you that this can be done, and done quite easily.

    First, have a look at Synthesia, a free Rockband-like program for your PC which shows notes for all 88 keys in a falling note pattern.

    Now, you don't need nearly that many for a game like Rock Band. If you wanted to be able to chart piano parts exactly, but compress them in octaves, you could do it with 24 keys - a full set for each hand position. 36 would be better, so you could get some hand movement into the game on expert.
    You say that it would be accessible, then show a program that looks completely daunting to beginners. That's exactly what we're talking about. It's certainly possible, as shown by your example and Beatmania, but that doesn't make it any more accessible to beginners. 36 keys would require the game to be piano+vocals only since it would take up the whole screen, and would be WAY too much for anybody who doesn't already play piano. It could be a great learning tool, but wouldn't make a fun game for the average Joe
  • princeofcupsprinceofcups Road Warrior
    edited February 2009
    iamtheddrman;1945890 said:
    You say that it would be accessible, then show a program that looks completely daunting to beginners. That's exactly what we're talking about. It's certainly possible, as shown by your example and Beatmania, but that doesn't make it any more accessible to beginners. 36 keys would require the game to be piano+vocals only since it would take up the whole screen, and would be WAY too much for anybody who doesn't already play piano. It could be a great learning tool, but wouldn't make a fun game for the average Joe
    The guitar does not have strings. The keyboard does NOT have to have 36 keys. 5 or 6 keys per hand would be a nice TOY INSTRUMENT to PRETEND to play keyboard parts of songs in the GAME of Rock Band.
  • princeofcupsprinceofcups Road Warrior
    edited February 2009
    west siide;1945572 said:
    It would be difficult to have alot of colored notes for the keyboards just for the fact that you have screenspace issues.

    Could you really have a display space on your TV to allow for 10 or 12 keys along with all the other instruments?

    I think it's likely that they're won't be any keyboard controller, unless they make it a keytar (which actually would be kinda cool).
    Screenspace? What's the deal with people saying there is no screen space. The screen can easily be redesigned to fit more tracks.

    Also, what makes you think that a keytar is a better option? HMX can surely design a more keyboard like instrument. Does the GH/RB guitar work like a real guitar? No. Does it give you the FEEL of playing a real guitar. Many would say yes. The new KB peripheral should give you the FEEL of playing rock KB.
  • pfunk1978pfunk1978 Opening Act
    edited February 2009
    i really hope they release the beatles songs that are not on there as dlc
  • whofanwhofan Headliner
    edited February 2009
    pfunk1978;1945946 said:
    i really hope they release the beatles songs that are not on there as dlc
    It may be that we get a complete discography.

    If I remember correctly, outside of alternate takes and anthology releases (but including "Free As A Bird" and "Real Love") The Beatles put out about 124 songs (That includes B-sides and single-only releases). I could be mistaken though.

    If it is, it'll be no surprise to see a complete discography.
  • iamtheddrmaniamtheddrman Merch-Table
    edited February 2009
    princeofcups;1945916 said:
    The guitar does not have strings. The keyboard does NOT have to have 36 keys. 5 or 6 keys per hand would be a nice TOY INSTRUMENT to PRETEND to play keyboard parts of songs in the GAME of Rock Band.
    Did you read the post I quoted? That was exactly my point. He suggest 24-36 keys, which would make the game no fun for anybody but experienced piano players. I NEVER suggest 36 keys was a good idea. If I want that many keys, I'll go play my real piano
  • princeofcupsprinceofcups Road Warrior
    edited February 2009
    iamtheddrman;1946007 said:
    Did you read the post I quoted? That was exactly my point. He suggest 24-36 keys, which would make the game no fun for anybody but experienced piano players. I NEVER suggest 36 keys was a good idea. If I want that many keys, I'll go play my real piano
    Sorry about that. :-)
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