Ventura;1949840 said:Drama queen FTW.How does improving their own software not benefit them? It makes for happy customers; happy customers are generally loyal customers, and loyal customers come back for more. They tell all their friends how happy they are that you're not abandoning each version of your software just to cash in at their expense, and that boosts sales even further.Really, this isn't brain surgery mate.
Jordashebasics;1950136 said:Back to topic, I would suggest withholding judgment on if this will be exportable or not.I strongly suspect that HMX is interested in making it possible, but the last updates we got were very vague, which only indicates that they don't know yet - it hasn't been ironed out.
Bosco32;1950175 said:I'm in the "assume it's not, but be pleasantly surprised if it is" camp.
whofan;1947654 said:You do realize that programmers need to be PAID for their work, don't you?Here's a tip for you, and listen closely, programmers don't work for free. And how do you make money?All together now: NOT ON FREE PATCHES!
mimic;1948057 said:I heard a rumor that most people that play this game like bands like blink 182 and metallica.I heard that most people who like the beatles are like my dad, who is old and thinks video games are dumb.I heard that gh metallica will sell well, but the beatles will not.I also heard there will be no rock band 3 this year because of this dumb game.Sorry I have no links to back me up. Except the first one according to dlc sales.
TheGodFather73;1950236 said:I believe there's a post from an HMX guy stating that they aren't working on RB3 due to the Beatles game (may have been from an interview also), so that would be more than hearsay.
Sayburr;1950241 said:There is... its listed in post #1 in this thread along with all of the other known information about the game...
Sayburr;1950187 said:Actually, I am in the camp that the current songs might be playable within the newer "Beatles" environment rather than the Beatles songs being exportable to the older 'RB2' environment.What if this new game uses the already saved to hard drive songs in some way, Hmmmm?
Electric_Zen;1950302 said:I would be well served by the comical effect of The Beatles performing March of the Pigs. But heavily involved the licensors are in the look, feel, and content of this product, I doubt this is going to happen.
Sayburr;1950317 said:As of right now we don't know if the likenesses of the Beatles will be used:
Electric_Zen;1950346 said:I just can't see the stakeholders here going with the lame GH:Metallica route of "you are playing a contemporaneous cover band inspired by The Beatles!"
TheGodFather73;1950236 said:I agree with your points here also. Most Beatles fans probably don't play video games. A lot more Metallica fans play GH, and the ones that don't may very well start when they see GH: Metallica in Best Buy and Gamestop.I believe there's a post from an HMX guy stating that they aren't working on RB3 due to the Beatles game (may have been from an interview also), so that would be more than hearsay.I could see Beatles DLC selling well, but not a game dedicated to the Beatles, especially if it doesn't export to RB2, or vice versa. I think GH: Metallica will triple its sales, regardless of game quality and features.I really wish HMX would have outbid Activision for Metallica rights instead of spending time on getting the Beatles, but that's just me.
TheGodFather73;1950195 said:A real example is Blizzard, which makes HUGE content patches for WoW, for free. Why? It keeps people coming back and maintaining their subscription. The RB corollary would be DLC. Patch the game to improve it, more people keep playing the game and buying DLC, AND are also more inclined to buy RB3 when it comes out. Thus keeping the programmers paid.
whofan;1950547 said:/facepalmWhy does everyone assume that Beatles fans are old? Beatles fans cover all age-groups.I went to a Paul McCartney concert in 2002 and was one of the oldest people there! (and I was 20 at the time). Most of the crowd was made up of teens.
AlacrityFitz;1951447 said:Bottom line it is insane to devote the manhours and other resources to producing a standalone game for beatles when there ARE enough people who will buy them as DLC. Everyweek I was checking for Beatles songs until I found out about this train wreck. Build the songs and let the market decide for you. And hurry cause I wanna play em
iamtheddrman;1951138 said:Except that the average Rock Band owner has downloaded 4 songs. That's about 8 bucks per copy of Rock Band (1 and 2) over the course of about 16 months. That's nowhere near the $15 per MONTH you pay for WoW. Valve is a good example since you aren't really paying them for any subscription, but they also tend to have lots of repeat customers because of Steam (hacked accounts, more games, etc)I've bought a lot of DLC. Does that entitle me to a patch for free? Nope. It entitles me to play the songs I've paid for and nothing more. The sense of entitlement in society these days is really sad
cmenear;1951262 said:For the same reason they assume that all old people think that video games are dumb...and by that comment I'm guessing the "dad" in question was probably in my age group (40s)...you know, the age group that was young when the Atari / Intellivision hit the scenes, revolutionizing home video gaming...Because all of us "old" guys can be placed in the same bucket...I guess i still have my 2600, 5200, Nintendo base, Genesis, Dreamcast, Genesis 32X, Genesis CDROM, PS1, PS2, N64, Gamecube, Xbox and Xbox360 because I felt they were so dumb that I purchased them, the games associated with them and decided to hang on to them to prevent some young punk from being morally dephiled by them.Love the blanket statements.BTW, my 15 yr old son loves Metalica, Dragonforce (lord only knows why), Tool, The Beatles and Elvis (to name a few). I hope he grows up to be a DUMB old guy too.
TheGodFather73;1951463 said: So GH:Metallica has Metallica (a relatively younger group than the Beatles), and the GH brand.
Julio_Strikes_Back;1951475 said:Who gives a crap if that ****ty GH spinoff sells more than The Beatles game? The first Halo outsold Shadow of the Collossi and Ico, does that make it better?
TheGodFather73;1951463 said:While WoW isn't the best example, it was the first I could think of off the top of my head. I suppose Valve is better, but my whole point is that there are companies that release updates and upgrades FOR FREE. Whofan's statement that no one would do that except for a fee is incorrect. Nothing to do with entitlement.I'm also one of the "old guys" at 35. And I didn't make a blanket statement that NO Beatles fans play video games, just that most probably don't. I did make an assumption; GH:Metallica will outsell the Beatles Rock Band game. You can look at the DLC stats and guess that much. There's a few classic rock tracks at the top, but the majority of top sellers are songs from newer artists. Also, from what I've read, GH: World Tour outsold Rock Band 2 by a 2:1 margin. So GH:Metallica has Metallica (a relatively younger group than the Beatles), and the GH brand. The Beatles are definitely a much more influential and famous band than Metallica, but I don't think their appeal will translate into sales equal to or greater than GH: Metallica.I'm also not a GH fanboy; I have GH:WT and only play it when I really want to play a song not on RB, otherwise the disc collects dust on my shelf, same as GH: III.
TheGodFather73;1951534 said:It's not about "better." These games are very expensive to make. If HMX spends a huge amount of resources on the Beatles game and it flops, then they won't get much financial backing for RB3, which could mean it wouldn't improve much, have as good of a setlist (since it costs money to license popular groups), etc. I would rather see Rock Band at least do as well (financially) as the GH franchise so they can keep putting out a great product. And in my opinion, they would make more money with a Metallica game instead of a Beatles game, and I would rather not see any specific band-based game and get a lot more DLC and a patch or two for RB2. That's all, and it's all my opinion. Everyone can chill out a little; it's not like I insulted anyone's mothers here.
Julio_Strikes_Back;1951609 said:You're an idiot if you think it will flop. The Beatles are miles ahead of Metallica anyway.
White_PawZ;1950200 said:I agree that playing your DLC, RB1 and RB2 songs in the Beatles game is the most likely option.