The Beatles: ROCK BAND - Rumors and Facts

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  • OakTeaOakTea Road Warrior
    edited January 2009
    "This is not just a Rock Band expansion pack, it is much much more than that."

    Ahem... To me, this says...

    "This is not merely a Rock Band expansion pack, it is much much more than that."

    Which means, This isn't a Rock Band expansion pack, it's much more than that.

    "Rock Band is not just Guitar Hero with drums, it is much much more than that."

    So does that mean that Rock Band is still Guitar Hero?
  • HysteriaHysteria Rising Star
    edited January 2009
    MBarryC;1864403 said:
    Steal? GH3 was their engine to begin with. Are you going to say Guitar Hero: Metallica stole World Tour's engine?
    I think you missed his point. GH:A is just modified verion of GH3. The Beatles game appears to be built from the ground up, not just RB2 with Beatles characters. And I'd bet GH:M will be GHWT with Metallica characters plus a few small modifications/additions. HMX wants The Beatles game to be a different experience where as Neversoft tries to pump out as many games as they can, as fast as then can so they use the same game engine for a year or two. Just different approaches and different company goals.
  • Julio_Strikes_BackJulio_Strikes_Back Headliner
    edited January 2009
    This thread should be stickied.
  • SayburrSayburr The Always Informative Rock Band Forum Guru
    edited January 2009
    Hysteria;1865295 said:
    I think you missed his point.
    I agree, from what I have read... and included in the first post of this thread... it seems the game will be a brand new experience that utilizes the instruments from RB/GH. So, its not the Rock Band engine with Beatles characters and backgrounds...
  • FizzelerFizzeler Washed Up
    edited January 2009
    As long as they have The White Album, and Sgt Pepper's tracks it is a buy for me
  • Mr. TateMr. Tate Road Warrior
    edited January 2009
    Sayburr;1865324 said:
    I agree, from what I have read... and included in the first post of this thread... it seems the game will be a brand new experience that utilizes the instruments from RB/GH. So, its not the Rock Band engine with Beatles characters and backgrounds...
    I would find it at the very least questionable if it DIDN'T use the Rock Band engine. For the gameplay part, of course. Tweekings would be necessary, but I can't see why the game engine, that's no less than magnificent, shouldn't be used.
  • Fender_178Fender_178 Rising Star
    edited January 2009
    Well one of my favorite Beatles song is Why My Guitar Gently Weeps. Also this song also Includes Eric Clapton (He was about 17 or 18 at that time) playing the solo stuff. I think the addition of the keyboard will be awesome because if they have a section similar to the way the drums activate overdrive or the rock ending you can mimic what John Lennon did at the concert at Shea Stadium where he played with his elbows or something along those lines. Which would be neat. I wonder if the keyboard is going to be limited to some of the songs in which involve a Piano such as Hey Jude.
  • FizzelerFizzeler Washed Up
    edited January 2009
    If they did add keyboards then what will happen to band quick play because you can only have 4 controllers in at one time unless they removed an instrument it would not work
  • iamtheddrmaniamtheddrman Merch-Table
    edited January 2009
    Fizzeler;1865371 said:
    If they did add keyboards then what will happen to band quick play because you can only have 4 controllers in at one time unless they removed an instrument it would not work
    I will never understand this argument that people make. So what if there are 5 instruments? You can only have 4 controllers connected at a time (on 360/Wii, 7 on PS3) so the game would let you select the 4 instruments that you currently have connected to the console. They already block out vocals on YYZ and Caprici, so why couldn't they block out "Keyboard" if there is no keyboard connected?

    At any rate, keyboard is only a rumor, so it's all speculation anyway
  • Rockbandfan23467Rockbandfan23467 Headliner
    edited January 2009
    Game will take from the Beatles' first album "Please Please Me" all the way to "Abbey Road." And will be based on the UK releases.
    Why UK? and what about Let It Be?
  • FizzelerFizzeler Washed Up
    edited January 2009
    iamtheddrman;1867882 said:
    I will never understand this argument that people make. So what if there are 5 instruments? You can only have 4 controllers connected at a time (on 360/Wii, 7 on PS3) so the game would let you select the 4 instruments that you currently have connected to the console. They already block out vocals on YYZ and Caprici, so why couldn't they block out "Keyboard" if there is no keyboard connected?

    At any rate, keyboard is only a rumor, so it's all speculation anyway
    I would still love a Keyboard my only main concern is only having 4 controller slots (for BQ at home) I would personally love to play a Keyboard and they would not have to chart it for every song they could exclude it for certain songs
  • Legion37Legion37 Road Warrior
    edited January 2009
    Fizzeler;1868537 said:
    I would still love a Keyboard my only main concern is only having 4 controller slots (for BQ at home) I would personally love to play a Keyboard and they would not have to chart it for every song they could exclude it for certain songs
    Honestly to fix this is just have it where you need to system link or play online, then you can have a 4 on 1 tv, 1 on 1 tv, or split it up as you wish. Only thing would be everyone sees their icons incase someone needs help with overdrive or get the sound that alerts you to bring them back.

    This would eliminate the space needed for the extra insturments, and if they want to do the dual vocals without it being in a single bar and color coded (ala SingStar) then singers can have they're own bars for duets

    I honestly think they should just keep the traditional set up...Keyboard is gonna be wierd and how many keys do you put on it before its underwhelming or overwhelming to the casual player
  • Stones_ClashStones_Clash Rising Star
    edited January 2009
    well, for me, this game will be hit or miss. i definitely like the beatles, so theres a plus right there. it also seems like this will be a much more complete package that will feel more dedicated to the respective band than the bare bones AC/DC live track pack. however, there are two things that bother me.

    the first is that i dont really see this shouldnt be considered a rock band game. harmonix has stated that the gameplay will be similar (for all intents and purposes, i think its safe to assume that this means the same, after all, its a music game, how different could it be?), and it focuses heavily on a specific band. this in turn limits its appeal because for every person out there who loves the beatles, theres sure to be somebody who doesnt. however, the rock band brand has already gained recognition, so why change the name to something else? if it aint broke, dont fix/change it.

    finally, my last concern is whether all these beatles tracks will be transferable to rock band. harmonix has stated time and time again that it views rock band as a platform, so to me, it would seem logical, and expected that that would be the same case here.

    if all the tracks in the game are transferable, you can count me in on a purchase. if not however, im afraid that i might have to pass on this one...
  • KozmicRiffKozmicRiff Road Warrior
    edited January 2009
    wickedbadz;1864385 said:
    I really don't care what name they tag on the disc or what they claim, I've listened to the Beatles alot and I just don't see any fun in playing them on Rockband. Whens the last time you heard a Beatles song with some serious shredding going on? This disc if you ask me will be a waste of cash. It just goes to show how desperate Michael Jackson who owns the rights to the Beatles music really is for cash and Harmonix bit the hook cause Activision probably wouldn't.
    This is crazy talk, The Beatles are going to be so much fun to play is simply ridiculous ..... and they shred plenty!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgkiEiRjBfg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8DVI5Cc1s0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87yq372R4Ts
  • Rockbandfan23467Rockbandfan23467 Headliner
    edited January 2009
    Again:

    Game will take from the Beatles' first album "Please Please Me" all the way to "Abbey Road." And will be based on the UK releases.
    Why UK? and what about Let It Be?
  • hodayathinkhodayathink Opening Act
    edited January 2009
    Rockbandfan23467;1869755 said:
    Again:



    Why UK? and what about Let It Be?
    Because the UK releases usually came out first. And Let It Be was recorded before Abbey Road, but released after. Abbey Road was the last album they recorded in the studio.
  • SayburrSayburr The Always Informative Rock Band Forum Guru
    edited February 2009
    Just added this to the first post:

    Added 2/6/2009 - It looks like the game will have distinct stages based on the career of the Beatles. In an interview with McCartney he stated the following “[Harmonix said] "We’d like to do just a special Beatles edition, we’d like to do different periods -- you know, you get early days, Liverpool, then psychedelic, and on from there." It’s very cool.” Thanks to p34ch for finding this information. – Link
  • cherokeesamcherokeesam Washed Up
    edited February 2009
    iamtheddrman;1867882 said:
    I will never understand this argument that people make. So what if there are 5 instruments? You can only have 4 controllers connected at a time (on 360/Wii, 7 on PS3) so the game would let you select the 4 instruments that you currently have connected to the console. They already block out vocals on YYZ and Caprici, so why couldn't they block out "Keyboard" if there is no keyboard connected?
    Exactly.

    And it's not like The Beatles were ever a 5-man band. You play EITHER keyboards, OR something else like Bass.....just like Paul did.

    A keyboard peripheral *would* be a cool add to the game, but I won't hold my breath for it.
  • iamtheddrmaniamtheddrman Merch-Table
    edited February 2009
    cherokeesam;1921174 said:
    Exactly.

    And it's not like The Beatles were ever a 5-man band. You play EITHER keyboards, OR something else like Bass.....just like Paul did.

    A keyboard peripheral *would* be a cool add to the game, but I won't hold my breath for it.
    Yeah, I'm certainly not holding my breath either. I'd like to see it make it eventually, but keyboard would require a very large number of keys to be challenging, which might make it inaccessible to beginners (unless they do like guitar and step up the number of buttons based on difficulty). At any rate, I think HMX is gonna do this game right, and it'll be worth renting even if you don't like the Beatles all that much.
  • Drfirewater RB2Drfirewater RB2 Unsigned
    edited February 2009
    I am disappointed hearing this for two reasons

    1. this means that its possible that we will have to buy all new perperials like new drums and guitars cause nothing works together (look at GH and RB crossover problems)

    2. Different disk and seperate game means the songs wont be crossed over so you will have to swap out disks ... this means no beatles at my rock band parties and if i cant play with my friends with out being forced to only play one band ... chances i will sadly miss out on this large waste of money if they are not transferable.

    I LOVE THE BEATLES AND RB

    and i think that if the songs are not transferable to rb2 then this project is gonna bomb.


    ps. I play keybord and i can tell you there is no way to intelligently do a keybord in a rock band type game without it being near if not completly impossible for anyone who doent already read music and play the piano.
  • BruceDickinsonBruceDickinson Road Warrior
    edited February 2009
    I doubt it will bomb. It will probably do just fine even without transferability.
  • whofanwhofan Headliner
    edited February 2009
    Drfirewater RB2;1941049 said:
    I am disappointed hearing this for two reasons

    1. this means that its possible that we will have to buy all new perperials like new drums and guitars cause nothing works together (look at GH and RB crossover problems)

    2. Different disk and seperate game means the songs wont be crossed over so you will have to swap out disks ... this means no beatles at my rock band parties and if i cant play with my friends with out being forced to only play one band ... chances i will sadly miss out on this large waste of money if they are not transferable.

    I LOVE THE BEATLES AND RB

    and i think that if the songs are not transferable to rb2 then this project is gonna bomb.


    ps. I play keybord and i can tell you there is no way to intelligently do a keybord in a rock band type game without it being near if not completly impossible for anyone who doent already read music and play the piano.
    /facepalm

    1) This is an Harmonix product. What makes you think that it won't support their own periphreals? To think that it won't, you'd have to be pretty dumb

    2) The separate disk issue has not been resolved yet. We do not know whether or not it will be exportable. The popular theory right now (not saying that's what's going to happen, it just makes the most sense) is that at the end of the career mode you will be given access to a code that will allow you to export the tracks onto the RB Platform. However, nothing has been confirmed just yet.
  • edited February 2009
    whofan;1941134 said:
    /facepalm

    1) This is an Harmonix product. What makes you think that it won't support their own periphreals? To think that it won't, you'd have to be pretty dumb

    2) The separate disk issue has not been resolved yet. We do not know whether or not it will be exportable. The popular theory right now (not saying that's what's going to happen, it just makes the most sense) is that at the end of the career mode you will be given access to a code that will allow you to export the tracks onto the RB Platform. However, nothing has been confirmed just yet.
    I think it is better to assume that it won't be transferable... that way when we find out that it doesn't people wont be freaking saying "but you said it would be!" If we have low expectations we can all not freak out later.
  • edited February 2009
    Drfirewater RB2;1941049 said:
    I am disappointed hearing this for two reasons

    1. this means that its possible that we will have to buy all new perperials like new drums and guitars cause nothing works together (look at GH and RB crossover problems)

    2. Different disk and seperate game means the songs wont be crossed over so you will have to swap out disks ... this means no beatles at my rock band parties and if i cant play with my friends with out being forced to only play one band ... chances i will sadly miss out on this large waste of money if they are not transferable.

    I LOVE THE BEATLES AND RB

    and i think that if the songs are not transferable to rb2 then this project is gonna bomb.


    ps. I play keybord and i can tell you there is no way to intelligently do a keybord in a rock band type game without it being near if not completly impossible for anyone who doent already read music and play the piano.
    well in this case I am glad it is Harmonix job to try to integrate a keyboard and not yours. Because with that attitude nothing would get done. I think if hmx is capable to make Rockband then they are fully capable of making a keyboard that people can enjoy without learning how to play a real keyboard. Just my opinion though.
  • princeofcupsprinceofcups Road Warrior
    edited February 2009
    iamtheddrman;1923947 said:
    Yeah, I'm certainly not holding my breath either. I'd like to see it make it eventually, but keyboard would require a very large number of keys to be challenging, which might make it inaccessible to beginners (unless they do like guitar and step up the number of buttons based on difficulty). At any rate, I think HMX is gonna do this game right, and it'll be worth renting even if you don't like the Beatles all that much.
    You have no basis for any of this. The guitar doesn't have strings for gods sake. Why can't the keyboard be similarly different. It can have any number of keys. I'd expect 10 or 12.

    There is no reason to think that they could not make their keyboard charting easy for beginners. Just cut down the number of colors to hit to 4 for easy, and add complexity from there. Two fingers per hand sounds pretty easy to me.
  • SayburrSayburr The Always Informative Rock Band Forum Guru
    edited February 2009
    Drfirewater RB2;1941049 said:

    1. this means that its possible that we will have to buy all new perperials like new drums and guitars cause nothing works together (look at GH and RB crossover problems)
    I really doubt there will be a problem here. Sure, there's RB and GH crossover problems, but that is also two different companies, one of which doesn't want to play nice with the other.

    I am pretty sure they will release new controllers with a Beatles slant to them, but the RB1/2 controllers will work also. I would be very surprised if this is not the case.
  • princeofcupsprinceofcups Road Warrior
    edited February 2009
    Drfirewater RB2;1941049 said:

    ps. I play keybord and i can tell you there is no way to intelligently do a keybord in a rock band type game without it being near if not completly impossible for anyone who doent already read music and play the piano.
    Uh huh. Just like not having strings or frets on the guitar? Give me a break. The keyboard controller does NOT have to look like a real keyboard. It is just a controller to play keyboard parts, which are just colors on the screen. I expect 5 or six keys for each hand, color coded, maybe with a right hand and left hand charting track on the screen.
  • acondon747acondon747 Road Warrior
    edited February 2009
    40 songs no thanks waste of a disc either way, just make dlc I don't care to play as these people I can make them myself if I cared about it.

    I would much rather just play these on RB2 I don't care about venues/characters/animations, just gimme songs.
  • iamtheddrmaniamtheddrman Merch-Table
    edited February 2009
    princeofcups;1942060 said:
    You have no basis for any of this. The guitar doesn't have strings for gods sake. Why can't the keyboard be similarly different. It can have any number of keys. I'd expect 10 or 12.

    There is no reason to think that they could not make their keyboard charting easy for beginners. Just cut down the number of colors to hit to 4 for easy, and add complexity from there. Two fingers per hand sounds pretty easy to me.
    Actually, my basis is on Beatmania, which is made by the people who made GuitarFreaks and DrumMania. You do realize HMX took their idea and made it popular in the U.S. right? If they do the same with a keyboard, the starting point for comparison will be Beatmania.

    The controller for Beatmania had 7 keys - 4 white, 3 black - much like a really keyboard, and also had a little scratchpad. Let me tell you, playing that game with all 7 keys is HARD, and I took piano lessons for like 6 years. Giving it 12 keys would be possible, but very hard and intimidating for beginners, even if Easy doesn't require all of them. Also, when I said "very large" number, I didn't mean 88 keys, I was thinking no more than 14, which is way more than the guitar controller has.

    I'm pretty much certain that if HMX were to make a keyboard controller (which is a big IF), they will take into consideration the blend of difficulty and accessibility that will make the game successful, just like they did with GH and drums on RB.
  • VenturaVentura Road Warrior
    edited February 2009
    The existing controllers that we have are bound to work with this new Beatles project. They'd be mad to not ensure that.

    I would guess the reason why it's songs won't be compatible with Rock Band is because they will be adding another charted instrument, and I would certainly guess that it's going to be the keyboard.

    While it would be nice if the songs were playable in Rock Band 2 with the omission of that controller, that would be Harmonix going out of their way (and we couldn't have that).

    At some point in the future though, it would be nice if we could play the Beatles alongside the extensive collection of music we do already have. I imagine for the tracks that already exist and which do have the keyboard, we'll likely be looking at a small fee to have the keyboard chart for that song added to it.
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